The Legend of Sam Bennett

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Will Bennett be able to play the home game vs the Panthers on the 18th?

No, it's gonna be cancelled

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Every single suspension would be appealed if that were the case.

Wideman ended up missing more games than he was suspended for because the appeal took so long

I remember in the CFL some guy had a blatant suspendable play on a Stamp. He appealed so he got to play the next game. Against the Stamps. Appeal denied of course.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Maybe because it was an in-person?

The NHL is nothing, if not bafflingly inconsistent though

I don't believe there has ever been stays on suspensions in any situation in the NHL, though?

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

I don’t see how Monahan’s injury-related decline can be viewed as a management “fail”. At the time he got the big contract it wasn’t considered overspending, and it’s not like he’s pulling a James Neal now.

Specious reasoning. I don’t think Monahan’s decline has anything to do with injuries. It’s a convenient excuse, but I don’t buy it for a second.

He had wrist surgery which everybody brings up all the time, but fail to mention he had a career year in goals the following season. He had hip surgery over the offseason, but does his skating look labored or different from his usual stride? No. If anything, the one aspect of his game that has been impressive has been his assertiveness and work ethic.

His biggest faults from what I’ve seen throughout his career that still plagues him to this day are his defensive zone play, his inability to create his own shot and the lackluster pace he plays with.

He use to have Johnny Gaudreau to defer to in order to exit and enter the zone. He doesn’t have that anymore, so he’s expected to push the pace himself which he’s never been good at. He’s never had the ability to create his own shot as the majority of his goals came from wide open chances in the slot. Who’s creating magic around the net for him now? No one.

This is a player who was overly reliant on one player named Johnny Gaudreau and without him, he’s lost. It was so obvious to me a long time ago and it should’ve been obvious to the general manager and his group.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I think Monahan is a good player who can play effectively with skill players so the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

The Flames have decided to play the conventional 3 players on a ES line, and that Lindy plays with Gaudreau

Fourth line results from Monny are commensurate with linemates. PP results with good players are good lately. Nothing too surprising.

Maybe the Wizard setting up negotiations for his next contract lol

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Specious reasoning. I don’t think Monahan’s decline has anything to do with injuries. It’s a convenient excuse, but I don’t buy it for a second.

He had wrist surgery which everybody brings up all the time, but fail to mention he had a career year in goals the following season. He had hip surgery over the offseason, but does his skating look labored or different from his usual stride? No. If anything, the one aspect of his game that has been impressive has been his assertiveness and work ethic.

His biggest faults from what I’ve seen throughout his career that still plagues him to this day are his defensive zone play, his inability to create his own shot and the lackluster pace he plays with.

He use to have Johnny Gaudreau to defer to in order to exit and enter the zone. He doesn’t have that anymore, so he’s expected to push the pace himself which he’s never been good at. He’s never had the ability to create his own shot as the majority of his goals came from wide open chances in the slot. Who’s creating magic around the net for him now? No one.

This is a player who was overly reliant on one player named Johnny Gaudreau and without him, he’s lost. It was so obvious to me a long time ago and it should’ve been obvious to the general manager and his group.

He did have a 20 goal season before Gaudreau was in the league...playing with Gaudreau helped for sure but most guys play better with better players. See the thread's namesake.

Monahan has 15 points in 30 games...not bad for a 3rd/4th liner with PP time

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I don't believe there has ever been stays on suspensions in any situation in the NHL, though?

there hasn't...you can't even play when you have a hearing scheduled. They get things settled before a players next game though.

Wideman actually won his appeal but by that time he had already served NINE extra games.

[Bourque's Twin]

Monahan is unfortunately a product of having so many injuries. No one can deny that the guy had a goal scorers touch. He was consistently 25-30 goals a season and was always a threat when he was shooting the puck. It’s changed for him because of his injuries and it’s sad. That’s just the way of the game sometimes.

[SportsJunky]

Sammy Benzo does not disappoint!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Monahan is unfortunately a product of having so many injuries. No one can deny that the guy had a goal scorers touch. He was consistently 25-30 goals a season and was always a threat when he was shooting the puck. It’s changed for him because of his injuries and it’s sad. That’s just the way of the game sometimes.

He is still an NHLer though...this out of the league talk is garb

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

there hasn't...you can't even play when you have a hearing scheduled. They get things settled before a players next game though.

Wideman actually won his appeal but by that time he had already served the original suspension.

Yeah, that's what I thought. EnochRoot was making it sound like the NHL is inconsistent on this, which I didn't think was the case.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yeah, that's what I thought. EnochRoot was making it sound like the NHL is inconsistent on this, which I didn't think was the case.

Nah, and its a good thing IMO

guys could just appeal so they can pick and choose what games they are suspended for. See the CFL.

Only real reason to appeal is for salary unless its 4+ games

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He did have a 20 goal season before Gaudreau was in the league...playing with Gaudreau helped for sure but most guys play better with better players. See the thread's namesake.

Monahan has 15 points in 30 games...not bad for a 3rd/4th liner with PP time

I don’t know how many times I’ve had to say this, but he played with Cammalleri and Hudler. He wasn’t playing with chopped liver here, those were some good players who never get any credit for the help they provided Monahan.

Gaudreau just helped take Monahan to another level.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I think Monahan is a good player who can play effectively with skill players so the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

The Flames have decided to play the conventional 3 players on a ES line, and that Lindy plays with Gaudreau

Fourth line results from Monny are commensurate with linemates. PP results with good players are good lately. Nothing too surprising.

Maybe the Wizard setting up negotiations for his next contract lol

Monahan won’t be here next season. I’d implore everyone to have a look at next season’s cap. It’s pretty obvious that the cap reckoning is coming and there’s very obvious big money contracts that need to go and Monahan in my opinion is numero uno.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ there is definitely a cap storm a’brewin’

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I don’t know how many times I’ve had to say this, but he played with Cammalleri and Hudler. He wasn’t playing with chopped liver here, those were some good players who never get any credit for the help they provided Monahan.

Gaudreau just helped take Monahan to another level.

I think you are building a narrative to suit your own bias.

Hudler who had a previous career high of 57 points playing on a top flight Detroit team benefitted just as much if not more from getting to play with Monahan and Gaudreau. After that 76 point season with them he was out of the league 2 years later at 33 years old.

Cammalleri did so much to carry Monahan in those first 65 games that Burke could wrangle a 4th round pick for him in a bad draft as the best offer to move him. The same year he got a 2nd for trading Reto Bera. It was after this harsh reality that Camalleri realized he better start playing if he wanted to make a few more dollars to wrap up his career.

Sean Monahan played very well for the Flames in his first few seasons. It's not his fault that he's not MacKinnon, or Barkov...or even Lindholm, hence why those guys all got picked before him.

You previously claimed that you don't think injury has anything to do with his current state, and that's just flat out wrong. He was never going to be an elite player, but he certainly was a 30 goal scorer or close to it. The cumulative effect of the number of surgery's he has had is taking a toll. He's still decent on the PP when he has a bit more time and space, but you can tell at Even Strength he's down a step to the point where he can't use the skills he still has the same way he once could.

Sam Bennett on the other hand is a guy who's always going to have what's between his ears hold him back. Talented player who can do a lot of things. After their rookie seasons, I certainly thought Bennett was going to be the better player. He'll likely end up playing more games and possibly with more career points. But don't kid yourself, getting away from the pressure of being the highest pick in a hockey market served him well. Even today we're seeing that he still is having a tough time from him being the guy who holds himself back with some of his decisions.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I don’t know how many times I’ve had to say this, but he played with Cammalleri and Hudler. He wasn’t playing with chopped liver here, those were some good players who never get any credit for the help they provided Monahan.

Gaudreau just helped take Monahan to another level.

keep saying it, its a bad take.

Yeah he played with decent players...that doesn't mean you take everything away from him. What 20-30 goal scorer plays with bad players?

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by dino7c

keep saying it, its a bad take.



Yeah he played with decent players...that doesn't mean you take everything away from him. What 20-30 goal scorer plays with bad players?

Johnny Gaudreau? I kid, I kid

Monahan would've been a 2/3c 20/20 man if they didn't draft Johnny. Just my opinion. Not bad, but not a star. A decent middle 6 player. Injuries have turned him into a depth/pp specialist. Playing on the top line and drawing that type of focus probably contributed to his injuries

It sucks. He's all class. Deserved a better fate.

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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

keep saying it, its a bad take.

Yeah he played with decent players...that doesn't mean you take everything away from him. What 20-30 goal scorer plays with bad players?

Your argument with the other poster confuses me

Are you disagreeing on something?

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

yes, that is how it works

No you sit the #### out untill the appeal. Kinda similar to how criminals still sit in jail till the appeal. It is a rudimentary step in any form of a justice system.