[News] World Juniors cancelled

[looooob]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

To be fair, the tournament seems to have gone off without (m)any issues last year in Czechia using two towns about 40 mins apart...I wonder how this year's protocols compared.

am I missing something? wasn't last year also in Alberta, Czechia was pre-covid? hope I'm not completely out to lunch here

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by rubecube

How are we two years into this thing and people still can't understand the concept of "Just because symptoms are mild for you, doesn't mean they'll be mild to the people in the community you could spread it to?"

Yes, I fully understand that. You can look at my post history and realize I've said the exact same thing many times before.

What I'm saying/asking is when does this end? The vaccine is clearly working for the large majority of people. There's only so much we can do. No matter how many booster shots we get, we will never be fully immune to getting covid. Covid isn't going anywhere, so do we just live life like this forever now? Anytime there's a covid case in sports (90%+ of them are asymptomatic), do we not let the players play despite feeling as normal as ever? Or even go one step further and shut the entire tournament/league down like we did with the WJC because of a handful of cases in which the players all feel completely fine?

It's very likely that we'll all get covid numerous times a year at this point. But most of us won't even know we have it most of the time because we show no symptoms.

I'm saying this as someone who's been suffering from long-covid for 11 months now (Parosmia). I know covid doesn't hit everyone the same, but people are doing much better now fully vaccinated than they were before vaccines.

There'll always be people who feel covid effects worse than others. But that's very unlikely to change no matter how many booster shots we get. At some point we need to be happy with how effective the vaccines are (like I already said, they've been quite effective).

You can see progress finally happening in sports, where leagues are starting to not test asymptomatic players, which is great.

Life/business needs to go on at some point.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Yes, I fully understand that. You can look at my post history and realize I've said the exact same thing many times before.

What I'm saying/asking is when does this end? The vaccine is clearly working for the large majority of people. There's only so much we can do. No matter how many booster shots we get, we will never be fully immune to getting covid. Covid isn't going anywhere, so do we just live life like this forever now? Anytime there's a covid case in sports (90%+ of them are asymptomatic), do we not let the players play despite feeling as normal as ever? Or even go one step further and shut the entire tournament/league down like we did with the WJC because of a handful of cases in which the players all feel completely fine?

It's very likely that we'll all get covid numerous times a year at this point. But most of us won't even know we have it most of the time because we show no symptoms.

I'm saying this as someone who's been suffering from long-covid for 11 months now (Parosmia). I know covid doesn't hit everyone the same, but people are doing much better now fully vaccinated than they were before vaccines.

There'll always be people who feel covid effects worse than others. But that's very unlikely to change no matter how many booster shots we get. At some point we need to be happy with how effective the vaccines are (like I already said, they've been quite effective).

You can see progress finally happening in sports, where leagues are starting to not test asymptomatic players, which is great.

Life/business needs to go on at some point.

Yeah, my bad. I think I misunderstood your post.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by looooob

am I missing something? wasn't last year also in Alberta, Czechia was pre-covid? hope I'm not completely out to lunch here

You're right...my logic skills failed to account for the tourney straddling calendar years.

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Yes, I fully understand that. You can look at my post history and realize I've said the exact same thing many times before.

What I'm saying/asking is when does this end? The vaccine is clearly working for the large majority of people. There's only so much we can do. No matter how many booster shots we get, we will never be fully immune to getting covid. Covid isn't going anywhere, so do we just live life like this forever now? Anytime there's a covid case in sports (90%+ of them are asymptomatic), do we not let the players play despite feeling as normal as ever? Or even go one step further and shut the entire tournament/league down like we did with the WJC because of a handful of cases in which the players all feel completely fine?

It's very likely that we'll all get covid numerous times a year at this point. But most of us won't even know we have it most of the time because we show no symptoms.

I'm saying this as someone who's been suffering from long-covid for 11 months now (Parosmia). I know covid doesn't hit everyone the same, but people are doing much better now fully vaccinated than they were before vaccines.

There'll always be people who feel covid effects worse than others. But that's very unlikely to change no matter how many booster shots we get. At some point we need to be happy with how effective the vaccines are (like I already said, they've been quite effective).

You can see progress finally happening in sports, where leagues are starting to not test asymptomatic players, which is great.

Life/business needs to go on at some point.

The answer may be soon, but not yet. For starters, let's get the <5 year old age group vaxxed and give the developing world a chance to get reasonably protected, too.

Let's also remember/acknowledge that our healthcare system didn't really have a ton of spare capacity before this all started...quite the contrary in fact.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

Are we lucky or is this what a virus does in order to survive and infect more hosts?

Or maybe someone engineering it to do this.

What you are thinking of is a parasite and host relationship where there is an actual survival strategy at play. Viruses are not really living organisms and don’t have a strategy. The ecological purpose for viruses seems to be more of a mechanism of population control than to evolve into mutually beneficial relationships (spread of viruses tends to be by contact of individuals, while parasites tend to be spread through the environment) Viruses quickly mutate no matter what pressures are on them, while parasite and host relationships tend to strive towards an equilibrium.

[Strange Brew]

Was finding officials really the straw that broke the camel's back here? I would have thought CHL officials could have filled in if needed.

I think it really was the protocols. If positive tests were going to result in forfeits then there really was no way to play except in a pure bubble. I guess Omicron just exploded too fast for them to pivot.

It's just funny because minor sports is going on most everywhere else with zero pre-emptive testing whatsoever and instead relying on sick people not playing.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Uh, mutation is a random copying error. No magic required, it’s just a matter of odds. When you have billions of viral particles being generated in billions of hosts, the math tends to favor significant and sometimes seriously deadly mutations. I wouldn’t hang my hat on that rhetoric.

It's not rhetoric. You're talking about massive mutations in a specific direction with a specific outcome. The odds are beyond astronomical.

And there is still the plain fact that there is a tradeoff between transmissibility and lethality.

Originally Posted by rubecube

How are we two years into this thing and people still can't understand the concept of "Just because symptoms are mild for you, doesn't mean they'll be mild to the people in the community you could spread it to?"

How are we two years into this thing and people are still banking on 100% vaccination as if that were a viable strategy, instead of putting some resources into effective treatment of the disease? (No, sticking people in the ICU and letting them fight the virus on their own is not an effective treatment.)

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's not rhetoric. You're talking about massive mutations in a specific direction with a specific outcome. The odds are beyond astronomical.

And there is still the plain fact that there is a tradeoff between transmissibility and lethality.

Viruses can evolve to become both more or less virulent over time, and do not necessarily require the survival of their host to maximize their transmission. This post ignores the wide swath of epidemiological and laboratory evidence showing that pathogens can evolve to become more lethal.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by rubecube

How are we two years into this thing and people still can't understand the concept of "Just because symptoms are mild for you, doesn't mean they'll be mild to the people in the community you could spread it to?"

Originally Posted by timbit

Viruses can evolve to become both more or less virulent over time, and do not necessarily require the survival of their host to maximize their transmission. This post ignores the wide swath of epidemiological and laboratory evidence showing that pathogens can evolve to become more lethal.

Actually, they do require the survival of their host to maximize their transmission. This is why Ebola and West Nile never turned into the world-conquering plagues that they were first billed as. The victims of those diseases died too quickly to transmit it effectively.

Remember, we are talking about an initial claim that EVERY SINGLE OLD PERSON IN FLORIDA WILL DIE OF COVID. No virus has ever been 100% lethal to humans. No virus has ever achieved a 100% transmission rate.

I'm not ignoring any evidence. I'm doing the bloody math, and it does not add up to 100% transmission OR 100% lethality, let alone both.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

The answer may be soon, but not yet. For starters, let's get the <5 year old age group vaxxed and give the developing world a chance to get reasonably protected, too.

India (3rd most populous country in the world) has 42 per cent of its population fully (two shots) vaccinated.

Indonesia (4th) is at 40 per cent.

Philippines (13th) is at 17 per cent.

Egypt (12th) is at 14 per cent.

Pakistan (5th) is at 12 per cent.

Nigeria (7th) is at 1 per cent

Ethiopia (12th) is at 1 per cent

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

In the most optimistic scenarios, most of the developing world won’t be vaccinated until 2023. And that’s not taking into account vaccine-resistant variants.

[timbit]

NM( waste of time)

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Come on. You know it's more complex than parachuting in some random refs.

Why. It’s hockey. Not piloting the space shuttle.

There are WHL refs around.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by jg13

https://twitter.com/user/status/1476555031105392643

Saw this in an article on TSN. Kid was bang on.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Saw this in an article on TSN. Kid was bang on.

I dunno, he sounds like he wanted them to be treated more like VIP's. I doubt they are treated better in Europe.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Are there no other referees in Alberta?

I’ve seen a few.

There is a HUGE difference in being able to go from the WHL/AJHL to U20s, throw in a completely different rulebook and that would end very badly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

There is a HUGE difference in being able to go from the WHL/AJHL to U20s, throw in a completely different rulebook and that would end very badly.

I would imagine there’s a IIHF certification requirement as well.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I would imagine there’s a IIHF certification requirement as well.

If it's separate from Hockey Canada it's new.

There wasn't one when I was skating.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by jonesy

I dunno, he sounds like he wanted them to be treated more like VIP's. I doubt they are treated better in Europe.

He's comparing the way it was run last year compared to this year, where, in his view, COVID was more serious last year and the tournament was successful.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's not rhetoric. You're talking about massive mutations in a specific direction with a specific outcome. The odds are beyond astronomical.

And there is still the plain fact that there is a tradeoff between transmissibility and lethality.



How are we two years into this thing and people are still banking on 100% vaccination as if that were a viable strategy, instead of putting some resources into effective treatment of the disease? No, sticking people in the ICU and letting them fight the virus on their own is not an effective treatment.)

Any evidence for this point?

Treatment has been a mainstay since the (remdesivir). Until credible evidence is provided that this is a case for ANY treatment the hippocratic remains. Perhaps when you are liable for providing your, said treatment, that currently is not being administered, maybe you’ll stop carrying around your big balls in a wheel barrel.

What is this heralded treatment? Vitamin C?

The focus was and has been on vaccines because of logic, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Yet still, Pfizer just had a COVID treatment approved.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...d-molnupiravir

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The men's U23 (World Juniors) is a premier event. Why would it be a bad look to try and reschedule that?

No one gives a #### about the men's U18 for the most part, and even less for the women's.

Originally Posted by kobasew19

you mean U21s.

You mean U20s