[News] World Juniors cancelled

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

'Berta!

Red Deer and small town Alberta is really out there tho

Wouldn’t them being in a hotel mean they’re from anywhere but Red deer?
Maybe some ignorant fat #### from Winnipeg.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Likely a deciding factor


Just now on @TSN_Sports, @TSNBobMcKenzie reports "as many as five on ice officials - referees and linesmen - have tested positive for COVID-19" at the World Juniors. He says that was a major factor in cancelling the tournament.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by devo22

Omicron obviously came quickly, but let's not rewrite history. Two weeks ago, pretty much the whole Flames team was already in protocol and NHL games were postponed left and right.

hindsight is always 20/20 though, I get it. Easy for us to say that they should have done this and that instead. Just a frustrating situation all around.

But Austria scored 3 goals!

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I don’t even get why you need to forfeit any games at all though. One player positive. The rest negative. Play minus positive player.

It’s not even consistent with Alberta’s COVID rules (unless they’re changing in 30 minutes and that’s it?). Why do you even need to forfeit.

People are testing negative, they should be allowed to play.

You don't understand how this virus works......

you have an infectious pre-symptomatic period of 48 hours before you would even test positive. If someone in close contact like they are is positive, its going to be presumed (and likely become true) that others have already contracted it. This is why restrictions are floated, and furthermore supported by testing and by vaccination. The fact is by the time you're positive you've been busy spreading it to others around you for 2 days

[Mr.Coffee]

Not only that but you run a message board Bingo. People will post opinions based on a set of facts. We are posting opinions based on the facts available and the context of a situation. Are you saying you do not want opinions posted?

I am confident there’s more to this story, but the constant appeal to fence sitting, middle ground, always grey area, appeals to authority (constantly) is equally as tiring. Sometimes people in authority are wrong, sometimes things are black and white (or better said more black or more white) and also pointing out poorly made decisions does not villify anyone or imply they are stupid or anything, it just means people disagree with the decision. That’s life unless your more of a China style medium of communication type person.

Yes, based on all the events since COVID, people should be unsurprised that authority will be questioned. Very unsurprised. As for this hockey tournament? It’s early and we can wait and see. Sounds to me like discussion should not occur and opinions not posted because “authority can’t be questioned”.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Likely a deciding factor


Just now on @TSN_Sports, @TSNBobMcKenzie reports "as many as five on ice officials - referees and linesmen - have tested positive for COVID-19" at the World Juniors. He says that was a major factor in cancelling the tournament.

There we go. More facts. Makes more sense.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by devo22

Omicron obviously came quickly, but let's not rewrite history. Two weeks ago, pretty much the whole Flames team was already in protocol and NHL games were postponed left and right.

hindsight is always 20/20 though, I get it. Easy for us to say that they should have done this and that instead. Just a frustrating situation all around.

Yes, let’s not rewrite history, which is exactly what you’re doing. 12 days ago only 6 nhl games had been postponed. Nobody thought this needed to be in a bubble.

Where were all these people wanting a bubble two weeks ago and why did you wait until now to let everyone know that you knew a bubble was needed? You really dropped the ball.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Not only that but you run a message board Bingo. People will post opinions based on a set of facts. We are posting opinions based on the facts available and the context of a situation. Are you saying you do not want opinions posted?

I am confident there’s more to this story, but the constant appeal to fence sitting, middle ground, always grey area, appeals to authority (constantly) is equally as tiring. Sometimes people in authority are wrong, sometimes things are black and white (or better said more black or more white) and also pointing out poorly made decisions does not villify anyone or imply they are stupid or anything, it just means people disagree with the decision. That’s life unless your more of a China style medium of communication type person.

Yes, based on all the events since COVID, people should be unsurprised that authority will be questioned. Very unsurprised. As for this hockey tournament? It’s early and we can wait and see. Sounds to me like discussion should not occur and opinions not posted because “authority can’t be questioned”.

I guess I just hope these people that are smarter than any and every decision maker out there have proof of their views before things unfolded ... you know when decisions had to be made, and not just after they have gone wrong and it's clear a different course would have been wise.

If said proof doesn't exist than the constant whining about so and so blowing it are pretty hollow.

As far as the message board ... I've never banned anyone for having a view that I think is silly. But the beauty of the message board is that I can point out how annoying they are and I'll continue to do so.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Letting the virus run wild could allow it to mutate into one that is as infectious as omicron but with significant more lethality and vaccine resistance. Then every old person in Florida will no longer be living life.

Bad take. The virus is ‘running wild’ in effectively the entire world. In the third world even if there was full vaccine availability there wouldn’t be anywhere full uptake, and there won’t be any Covid restrictions in countries that have low ability to enforce them. Upping restrictions and cancelling events in Canada have near zero impact on future variants and just make life suck more here. There is not going to be worldwide control of this. The question for people in Canada is how long we’re going to let this rob us of events, gatherings, travel, in person school etc.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

'Berta!

Red Deer and small town Alberta is really out there tho

Winnipeg is basically small town Alberta on a lake.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Bad take. The virus is ‘running wild’ in effectively the entire world. In the third world even if there was full vaccine availability there wouldn’t be anywhere full uptake, and there won’t be any Covid restrictions in countries that have low ability to enforce them. Upping restrictions and cancelling events in Canada have near zero impact on future variants and just make life suck more here. There is not going to be worldwide control of this. The question for people in Canada is how long we’re going to let this rob us of events, gatherings, travel, in person school etc.

Only reason for more restrictions is to flatten the curve again if you think the hospitals are going to be over run. Getting to covid zero is a lost cause.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Wouldn’t them being in a hotel mean they’re from anywhere but Red deer?
Maybe some ignorant fat #### from Winnipeg.

Not necessarily - there was a wedding reception. Sometimes at those kind of events you choose to stay at the hotel so you can booze it up.

[CroCop]

Well here we go again…what a joke. Do we not have an effective Vaccine? I feel horrible for the players, staff and families (some of which I know )who have worked, sacrificed and earned this chance of a lifetime. Pre Vaccine ya, but now makes it seem like we’ve all been duped. Would the same happen if this was held in Texas? What’s cancelled next? This makes me mad.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I guess I just hope these people that are smarter than any and every decision maker out there have proof of their views before things unfolded ... you know when decisions had to be made, and not just after they have gone wrong and it's clear a different course would have been wise.

If said proof doesn't exist than the constant whining about so and so blowing it are pretty hollow.

As far as the message board ... I've never banned anyone for having a view that I think is silly. But the beauty of the message board is that I can point out how annoying they are and I'll continue to do so.

That’s reasonable but just don’t be surprised when people question decisions that’s all. Some decisions that are made are silly let’s be honest. With officials being out this seems more reasonable. Maybe more info will come out.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Just a reminder…

https://twitter.com/user/status/1474417350480859140


… Edmonton is no good.

Can Rexall still have ice? Regardless of omicron, it would have made a lot more sense to keep everyone in the same city (enough critical mass to actually book a whole hotel) and take advantage of a bigger arena with bigger dressing rooms, etc.

Red Deer even looked crappy on TV with the low angle of the camera.

IIRC Oilers have a veto or something on Rexall being used for hockey...but why let common sense get in the way during a pandemic.

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Wouldn’t them being in a hotel mean they’re from anywhere but Red deer?
Maybe some ignorant fat #### from Winnipeg.

Since it's a wedding, it's likely that most of the attendees were local or a few hours drive.

Unless of course someone thought Red Deer would be the perfect location for a destination wedding.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

That’s reasonable but just don’t be surprised when people question decisions that’s all. Some decisions that are made are silly let’s be honest. With officials being out this seems more reasonable. Maybe more info will come out.

In this case, I do see Bingos point. I assume you can't arrange a tight bubble with two weeks notice in Edmonton. So blaming them for not seeing the future seems like hindsight being 20/20 then based on any reality.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Well here we go again…what a joke. Do we not have an effective Vaccine? I feel horrible for the players, staff and families (some of which I know )who have worked, sacrificed and earned this chance of a lifetime. Pre Vaccine ya, but now makes it seem like we’ve all been duped. Would the same happen if this was held in Texas? What’s cancelled next? This makes me mad.

The IIHF is cancelling it. Canada nor Alberta are cancelling it.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

That’s reasonable but just don’t be surprised when people question decisions that’s all. Some decisions that are made are silly let’s be honest. With officials being out this seems more reasonable. Maybe more info will come out.

Question away...but what do the organizers have to gain by cancelling?

I find it a bit harder to question when someone takes a tough decision that is AGAINST their own interests

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Window of opportunity to be rescheduled for June/July

So instead of Red Deer weddings in -32, they'll be in +32.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Once the forfeitures started piling up, it was only a matter of time. Proper call.