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GioforPM · 12-08-2021, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Backlund's line had a rough night, but the Monahan line looked good.

Assuming a bounce back from #11's trio that's the best the top nine has looked all year.

Lucic can't be top six.
Lewis shouldn't be top nine.

It worked.

I think Lucic and Monahan have complementary pacing and skill sets. Dube not so much yet. But I could see it working for him too.

Classic_Sniper · 12-08-2021, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I thought last night was one of his best games if not the best one this season. He was all over the puck. That is the Sean Monahan we know. And this is coming from someone that has been on the trade-Monahan-train for a while.

Definitely in agreement, probably one of, if not his best games of the year and definitely the most effective his line has looked all season and I hope it can continue. Hopefully he can start burying some more of his chances though, with how good his line was last night and for how many minutes they played, a goal manufactured specifically by Monahan could’ve made all the difference in securing at least one point or possibly even 2.

For me however, I’m still on the trade Monahan camp. Mostly due to the team’s really poor cap situation. I don’t think Treliving expected such an explosive start by Mangiapane or Kylington’s season out of no where. But regardless, if the Flames want to keep these guys and the top line intact, Monahan’s contract has to go.

But that doesn’t mean we can’t all hope that he can still have a decent season upping whatever trade value he has while hopefully contributing to the team’s winning ways. I certainly would take that over buying him out which would really hurt our cap situation. So hopefully we’ve found our 4 lines and this is it for a while.

Lanny_McDonald · 12-08-2021, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Lucic can't be top six.
Lewis shouldn't be top nine.

Both players are bottom line material. Flames need one more proven skilled player in the top nine. Get that, and I think this team is a contender.

GioforPM · 12-08-2021, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Definitely in agreement, probably one of, if not his best games of the year and definitely the most effective his line has looked all season and I hope it can continue. Hopefully he can start burying some more of his chances though, with how good his line was last night and for how many minutes they played, a goal manufactured specifically by Monahan could’ve made all the difference in securing at least one point or possibly even 2.

For me however, I’m still on the trade Monahan camp. Mostly due to the team’s really poor cap situation. I don’t think Treliving expected such an explosive start by Mangiapane or Kylington’s season out of no where. But regardless, if the Flames want to keep these guys and the top line intact, Monahan’s contract has to go.

But that doesn’t mean we can’t all hope that he can still have a decent season upping whatever trade value he has while hopefully contributing to the team’s winning ways. I certainly would take that over buying him out which would really hurt our cap situation. So hopefully we’ve found our 4 lines and this is it for a while.

Oh, for sure if there’s a deal to move Monahan, you take it. Solves a lot of cap issues. So did exposing Gio for that matter.

Hack&Lube · 03-01-2022, 06:17 PM

Just bringing back this thread to discuss Monahan.

We are incredibly lucky to have such a skilled player on our lower lines and it's a testament to his character that he's bought into Sutter's philosophy of play your role day in and day out without complaint.

However, he's still a $6.375M cap hit 3rd liner who has just lost his PP1 slot to Tyler Toffoli. He's got one more year on his contract but at his current production, he's going to be hard to move with that kind of a cap hit.

It would be great if we could find a way to clear this off our books to divert the funds to keeping the 1st line together but at this point I'm not sure what can be done.

After half a season, what are your thoughts on Sean Monahan? Can he still find the old touch? Is he still recovering from his surgeries?

Jay Random · 03-01-2022, 06:25 PM

He's definitely still recovering. Scuttlebutt is, he won't be fully recovered this season.

I don't think he'll ever be the same player that he used to be, but I have hope that he'll be a lot easier to move in the off-season.

getoverit · 03-01-2022, 06:55 PM

So i guess he’s good for 2 goals tonight then lol

GioforPM · 03-01-2022, 06:57 PM

Will never be what he was, and probably never a player who makes $5M+ again. But he can make himself useful.

CliffFletcher · 03-01-2022, 07:03 PM

Monahan doesn’t score enough to be top 6. He’s too slow and contact-shy to be a checker.

Maybe people can offer up some NHL comparables of what Monahan has become. Kyle Turris comes to mind. Any other suggestions?

GioforPM · 03-01-2022, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Monahan doesn’t score enough to be top 6. He’s too slow and contact-shy to be a checker.

Maybe people can offer up some NHL comparables of what Monahan has become. Kyle Turris comes to mind. Any other suggestions?

Stastny? Not a 20 goal man since he was 27, but useful enough for a bunch of teams.

TheSquatch · 03-01-2022, 07:17 PM

I love Stastny's game, he's a chippy bugger when he's on. Like Backlund on a good night.

Monahan is either just so beat up and broken at this point, or ... hopefully, still slowly recovering.... but he's not fast and he's not physical, so his game is really really limited. He was brilliant in front of the net but the rest of his game was never that strong honestly. Love the guy, he's been a warrior, but the expectation has to be low at this point - his most important role right now is winning important faceoffs, a part of his game he's worked really hard on.

Hack&Lube · 03-01-2022, 07:28 PM

I don't think there are any personal digs at him as a player, it's simply cold hard math in terms of his current production not meeting his cap hit and trying to find a solution for this team's cap issues in the next season.

I've mentioned this in other threads but faced with the RFA status of Mangiapane next year and how his agent played hardball at the arbitration, I think one of the more realistic options is to try to bundle Monahan and Mangiapane's RFA season rights to another team that can afford it.

PugnaciousIntern · 03-01-2022, 07:42 PM

I’m not sure at what point we say he is “still recovering” vs just plateaued. At this point I’m thinking more plateau. Of course as fans we have limited understanding of injuries and the rehab progress.

But it’sa large enough body of evidence that I am not expecting him to snipe and play the way that we were treated to over the last decade.

Funkhouser · 03-01-2022, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I think one of the more realistic options is to try to bundle Monahan and Mangiapane's RFA season rights to another team that can afford it.

Or bundle him with Hanafin and re-sign the bread man
We have Left D that are ready to step in

Hack&Lube · 03-01-2022, 09:18 PM

After tonight I think we definitely have to keep Toffoli on PP1 so Monahan just lost his main offensive opportunity.

That said it's still early days with the new Lucic-Monahan-Toffoli line.

Moneyhands23 · 03-01-2022, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

After tonight I think we definitely have to keep Toffoli on PP1 so Monahan just lost his main offensive opportunity.

That said it's still early days with the new Lucic-Monahan-Toffoli line.

It's actually fine and Monahan will probably have success on the 2nd pp. They get decent time and a better match up.

GioforPM · 03-01-2022, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

It's actually fine and Monahan will probably have success on the 2nd pp. They get decent time and a better match up.

Monahan’s actually made some very nice plays on PP2. There’s only one other actual offensive player on that unit though. I do like Zadorov on the point.

FormerPresJamesTaylor · 03-01-2022, 09:28 PM

Lucic - Monahan - Toffoli had some excellent shifts tonight, happy with the trio. Monahan has lots his spot on the first powerplay permanently though

codynw · 03-01-2022, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Or bundle him with Hanafin and re-sign the bread man
We have Left D that are ready to step in

Hanifin is a legit #1 defenceman. He's one of the last players I'd be trying to trade.

Macman · 03-01-2022, 09:33 PM

I like Monahan a lot and still think he's a good player but the Flames are going to have to move some money/contracts of good players if they're going to re-sign Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

So trading Monahan and Mangiapane makes sense to me as well.

But Tkachuk still has another year before having to be re-signed so a lot can happen. He's going to come at a premium though, that's for sure. Maybe the cap will increase next year as well so who knows.