[PGT] Flames 3 - Sharks 5

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

What you're missing in your analysis is the aggregate level of play. Underlying numbers only show how much better a team was relative to its opposition.

The Kings brought a really high level of play to their game against us. That should have been expected from that core of Kopitar, Danault, and Doughty, coached by MacLellan. Yes we won because we were the better finishing team, but the Flames didn't play poorly. They played a solid road game, which was pretty even for two periods. And then score effects took over and they didn't play well with a 3-1 and then 3-2 lead.

The Ducks also brought a really high level of play to their game against us. Eakins really made a concious effort to exploit his home ice advantage and target our third pair in particular. Regardless - the Flames won the score-adjusted underlying numbers in that game.

The Vegas game, no need to rehash that.

Tonight, the Flames were simultaneously better than the Sharks 5v5, and awful 5v5. Mutually exclusive.


Pretty sure I saw Hanifin getting burned on the Erik Karlsson goal... but maybe I didn't see it correctly.

Yes. This is something I can fully agree with when you put it that way

[KootenayFlamesFan]

It's funny when the Flames outplay a team and outshoot them 43-26 and lose, and we're like 'wow, they can be a lot better', you know they're having a good season.

Tonight wasn't their best game. They can be better. They could also play a lot more games at home and be better rested. Looking forward to the 2nd half of the season.

And Rasmus............please shoot once in a while. Thanks.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Me after watching this game when I have to get up at 3am

I too was foolish...

I put off my work until after the game because I thought based on the early goings that it would be worth the watch.

But they went and pooped the sheets and now I feel dumb.

Will be choosing my work from now on, at least until they are on another hot streak that is must watch hockey.

We've got to lock those leads down again! Or at least never give up the lead before collecting a point again.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

It's funny when the Flames outplay a team and outshoot them 43-26 and lose, and we're like 'wow, they can be a lot better', you know they're having a good season.

Tonight wasn't their best game. They can be better. They could also play a lot more games at home and be better rested. Looking forward to the 2nd half of the season.

And Rasmus............please shoot once in a while. Thanks.

Looking forward to playing those pick me up games against Arizona, Seattle, Vancouver and Chicago.

Flames were getting ground down by the schedule playing in so many different cities in such a short window, against some decent teams looking to make an impression and chase them down, particularly on this trip. That's not easy without any kind of break in there.

They deserve to recharge and stomp some low hangers to rebuild confidence.

[Since1984]

Two games in a row the flames could have added 2 points in the Oilers. Apparently that isn't enough...... Disappointing

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Pizza

Not a fan of Lucic's shoving Pederson into the boards

Well he didn't get penalized, which I think was the right call. He's a strong man and when he pushes guys, even with one arm, some of them will go flying. I hope he doesn't stop pushing dudes.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by heep223

If they keep playing this way through the season, add a second line forward at the deadline and they’re a cup contender.

Disagree. This team to me looks similar to past years. When it comes to 2 point games out of conference they are a top 3 team in the league. When little is on the line there are few teams better than the Calgary Flames. When the games are worth 4 points and more meaningful they are a mediocre team that have issues matching the opposition's desire to win most nights. It's why they played far below their talent level last season which consisted solely of 4 point games.

The difference now is that they play a better structured game under Darryl which keeps them in most games but I know it has to be driving him crazy that they have issues winning in their own division and conference. If he can't get this group to win games when there's more on the line I don't think anyone can.

[Toonage]

Personally this reminded me a lot of the Jets game from the 27th. Watch the Flames get an early lead from my living room, had to go to bed to get up early the next day, watch the 2nd period from there, fall asleep angry.

Not cool Flames. Not cool.

[Erick Estrada]

Also that 10 minute stretch in the 2nd period by the bottom pairing was the most horrific play from a defensive pairing I have seen all season. As soon as Zadorov took that dumb cross checking penalty I knew the Flames were in trouble. We are finding out why Zadorov is on his 3rd team in three years.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Disagree. This team to me looks similar to past years. When it comes to 2 point games out of conference they are a top 3 team in the league. When little is on the line there are few teams better than the Calgary Flames. When the games are worth 4 points and more meaningful they are a mediocre team that have issues matching the opposition's desire to win most nights. It's why they played far below their talent level last season which consisted solely of 4 point games.

The difference now is that they play a better structured game under Darryl which keeps them in most games but I know it has to be driving him crazy that they have issues winning in their own division and conference. If he can't get this group to win games when there's more on the line I don't think anyone can.

No surprise that you feel this way, you are negative on the team every year without fail. It’s just your thing which is fine.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Defense wasn't good and a couple forwards couldn't finish.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Backlund’s line looked bad the other night without Coleman (who improved Monahan’s line a lot), so I thought they’d bounce back tonight. But they didn’t.

I think Lucic - Monahan - Dube could work, especially if Dube quits painting himself into corners.

this line looks like it has potential for sure and I believe Mony is turning a corner - he has looked really good the last couple of games.

also wouldn't be surprised if they flip Mony and Backs soon.

[kobasew19]

Kylington needs to move up to the first PP unit.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by heep223

No surprise that you feel this way, you are negative on the team every year without fail. It’s just your thing which is fine.

Have I ever called you out on your manner of posting? Not sure why you feel it's necessary to do to me. Haven't been posting anything negative this season. I think they are going to make the playoffs. Is that not positive? I'm just a prove it fan. They have proven to me that they can adhere to a solid system but I have yet to see any indication that they can go head to head with teams that want to win the game badly and that's how it's going to be down the stretch and in the playoffs. Do you deny there's a major disparity in the Flames record vs the conferences?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Have I ever called you out on your manner of posting? Not sure why you feel it's necessary to do to me. Haven't been posting anything negative this season. I think they are going to make the playoffs. Is that not positive? I'm just a prove it fan. They have proven to me that they can adhere to a solid system but I have yet to see any indication that they can go head to head with teams that want to win the game badly and that's how it's going to be down the stretch and in the playoffs. Do you deny there's a major disparity in the Flames record vs the conferences?

I’m sorry, you’re right, I don’t mean it as a personal attack and nothing against you.

I do not deny this. Just feels like a real stretch to me. They’ve been dominant all season and against good teams too and with a terribly difficult schedule.

Let’s just win the cup and then we’ll all be happy

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Have I ever called you out on your manner of posting? Not sure why you feel it's necessary to do to me. Haven't been posting anything negative this season. I think they are going to make the playoffs. Is that not positive? I'm just a prove it fan. They have proven to me that they can adhere to a solid system but I have yet to see any indication that they can go head to head with teams that want to win the game badly and that's how it's going to be down the stretch and in the playoffs. Do you deny there's a major disparity in the Flames record vs the conferences?

So when the Flames win it's because the other team didn't want to win?

Pittsburgh X 2, Rangers X 2, Washington...just weren't trying those nights?

Yeah, I have a hard time buying that narrative.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by kobasew19

Kylington needs to move up to the first PP unit.

Not after his play last night. He played the puck like it was a tennis ball and a bomb at the same time. I thought he was actually the worst of the d-men on a night when by my account, only Tanev and Andersson didn't look bad. I know it's in vogue to pick on Zadorov, but I actually thought he looked good, at least offensively, in the third.

The team outplayed the Sharks on the whole, but just looked tired at time, and with the schedule that they've had you can't blame them. You're not going to win them all. Looking forward to how they match up with Carolina.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zukes

Not after his play last night. He played the puck like it was a tennis ball and a bomb at the same time. I thought he was actually the worst of the d-men on a night when by my account, only Tanev and Andersson didn't look bad. I know it's in vogue to pick on Zadorov, but I actually thought he looked good, at least offensively, in the third.

The team outplayed the Sharks on the whole, but just looked tired at time, and with the schedule that they've had you can't blame them. You're not going to win them all. Looking forward to how they match up with Carolina.

Isn’t it weird when he makes those rushes? Though they tend to end with him not making a good pass or missing the net.

I actually thought aside from his bad penalty and one other play that he was OK. He absolutely crushed one Shark. On the D I can think of 2 worse and one who made the same amount of mistakes.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by heep223

Flames “back down to earth” after losing two road games by a bee’s dick after playing a LOT of road hockey. They’re first in the pacific, 2nd in the west, best goal differential in the league. Hot take in the OP

If they keep playing this way through the season, add a second line forward at the deadline and they’re a cup contender.

Their level of play against Western teams hasn't been great so far this season. They've had a significantly better showing against Eastern teams so far. I want to see if they can carry that over against teams that they are in direct competition for the playoffs against. Otherwise if they're gonna be playing around ~.500 hockey against them for the foreseeable future, they are coming back down to earth.

Now that the first quarter of the season is done, teams have formed into their systems, and around the league know that the Flames have the ability to blow you out of the arena if you let them, we'll see if Flames can maintain the momentum of the first quarter of having around a ~.650 point percentage.

[Lanny_McDonald]

The last two games should have been statement games. Beat Vegas and San Jose and you show that you can beat the playoff contenders in your own division. The Flames' record against their own division is still something where dramatic improvement is required. If you can't beat teams in your own division with regularity, you aren't making the playoffs.