[PGT] Flames 3 - Sharks 5

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by timbit

Confirms my suspicion. He was just short of awful.

Of course he was. Kylington can never do good in your eyes because you have a bias towards him.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by blender

Flames were very good at times, but the mental lapses were shocking.

You have to wonder if burnout is becoming an issue. They've played a lot of hockey in a very condensed schedule. They don't have 2 nights off in between games for another 6 games. It's slightly worrying and hopefully it doesn't become a major issue for this team.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Of course he was. Kylington can never do good in your eyes because you have a bias towards him.

I think his upside is a top pairing offensive D.

Tonight, he was terrible.

[Knightslayer]

Kylington played 20 minutes and was a plus player. He wasn't the problem tonight.

55 4 44 and 16 were.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

You have to wonder if burnout is becoming an issue. They've played a lot of hockey in a very condensed schedule. They don't have 2 nights off in between games for another 6 games. It's slightly worrying and hopefully it doesn't become a major issue for this team.

Then, no doubt, they will have some stupid extended break that takes the edge off of them completely.

[Manhattanboy]

I’m not happy about the Olympic break. Don’t see much good coming out of it for this team. Watch the wheels fall off after. Not that that has ever happened before.

[TheScorpion]

Oliver had a rough night, to be certain. I'm in agreement with timbit on this one.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Kylington played 20 minutes and was a plus player. He wasn't the problem tonight.

55 4 44 and 16 were.

How were 55 and 4 a problem?

Had the highest xGF among our dmen, only goal against they were on for was the empty net goal.

Kylington didn’t have a great night, and was really fighting the puck in the third.

Bottom pair and goaltending were the real issue though.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Shouldn't have Saif they couldn't have played "any better" at 5v5 tonight, as the defense was all over the place, but overall at 5v5 they dominated the Sharks and created far great chances, and actually won the 5v5 goal battle 3-2. Could've been much better defensemen-wise 5v5, but overall was a great game 5v5.

Special teams did them in.

The Kings & especially the Knights completely dominated 5v5 play against the Flames. Against the Ducks, the Flames weren't horrible, but they were nowhere near their dominant selves and were overall outplayed 5v5.

Hard to have any concern with this game. Almost zero chance the entire defense has as bad a game as this individually as the majority of them did tonight, a game in which they still controlled play by a large margin outside of a horrible stretch in the 2nd.

What you're missing in your analysis is the aggregate level of play. Underlying numbers only show how much better a team was relative to its opposition.

The Kings brought a really high level of play to their game against us. That should have been expected from that core of Kopitar, Danault, and Doughty, coached by MacLellan. Yes we won because we were the better finishing team, but the Flames didn't play poorly. They played a solid road game, which was pretty even for two periods. And then score effects took over and they didn't play well with a 3-1 and then 3-2 lead.

The Ducks also brought a really high level of play to their game against us. Eakins really made a concious effort to exploit his home ice advantage and target our third pair in particular. Regardless - the Flames won the score-adjusted underlying numbers in that game.

The Vegas game, no need to rehash that.

Tonight, the Flames were simultaneously better than the Sharks 5v5, and awful 5v5. Mutually exclusive.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

How were 55 and 4 a problem?

Had the highest xGF among our dmen, only goal against they were on for was the empty net goal.

Kylington didn’t have a great night, and was really fighting the puck in the third.

Bottom pair and goaltending were the real issue though.

Pretty sure I saw Hanifin getting burned on the Erik Karlsson goal... but maybe I didn't see it correctly.

[Steve Macfarlane]

Deja boo.

Adam Ruzicka with a nice first goal in the NHL but the defence stunk in San Jose.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...-adam-ruzicka/

[Flame On]

Carolina next will be a big challenge, but an Eastern team, bring 'em on!

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

How were 55 and 4 a problem?

Had the highest xGF among our dmen, only goal against they were on for was the empty net goal.

Kylington didn’t have a great night, and was really fighting the puck in the third.

Bottom pair and goaltending were the real issue though.

Hanifin was asleep on the Erik Karlsson goal. He looked bad all road trip. Rasmus was making bad decisions all night.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Bad night for the D. Park it and move on

[D as in David]

Thought Monahan had a good game and their whole line did well. Happy with Ruzicka's game, as well. Relative to expectations, the Backlund line was the worst.

Sure wish Hanifin could somehow trick himself into thinking every Flames' game was being played in Boston.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Thought Monahan had a good game and their whole line did well. Happy with Ruzicka's game, as well. Relative to expectations, the Backlund line was the worst.

Sure wish Hanifin could somehow trick himself into thinking every Flames' game was being played in Boston.

Backlund’s line looked bad the other night without Coleman (who improved Monahan’s line a lot), so I thought they’d bounce back tonight. But they didn’t.

I think Lucic - Monahan - Dube could work, especially if Dube quits painting himself into corners.

[heep223]

Flames “back down to earth” after losing two road games by a bee’s dick after playing a LOT of road hockey. They’re first in the pacific, 2nd in the west, best goal differential in the league. Hot take in the OP

If they keep playing this way through the season, add a second line forward at the deadline and they’re a cup contender.

[Pizza]

Not a fan of Lucic's shoving Pederson into the boards

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

What you're missing in your analysis is the aggregate level of play. Underlying numbers only show how much better a team was relative to its opposition.

The Kings brought a really high level of play to their game against us. That should have been expected from that core of Kopitar, Danault, and Doughty, coached by MacLellan. Yes we won because we were the better finishing team, but the Flames didn't play poorly. They played a solid road game, which was pretty even for two periods. And then score effects took over and they didn't play well with a 3-1 and then 3-2 lead.

The Ducks also brought a really high level of play to their game against us. Eakins really made a concious effort to exploit his home ice advantage and target our third pair in particular. Regardless - the Flames won the score-adjusted underlying numbers in that game.

The Vegas game, no need to rehash that.

Tonight, the Flames were simultaneously better than the Sharks 5v5, and awful 5v5. Mutually exclusive.



Pretty sure I saw Hanifin getting burned on the Erik Karlsson goal... but maybe I didn't see it correctly.

The other thing is that the fancy stats reflect the whole game, and for sure the Flames were better for the first 35 minutes and then the last period when they were pressing. But that 15 minutes in the second - not good.

[Macindoc]

I wonder if Kylington's sub-par game was due to some nagging injury, considering that he did not participate in the morning skate and was a game-time decision.

[jg13]

Special teams was the difference tonight.

0/3 on the PP
0/2 on the PK

We'll be better.