Kyle Rittenhouse Trial - Update: Acquitted On All Charges

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GGG

But we don’t really because you keep advocating g he has the same moral responsibility as a rape victim which is absolutely not true. You appear to be arguing that he has no moral responsibility for theses deaths.

If you conclude he has moral responsibility for the deaths, then logic requires that you also conclude that the laws are immoral. Otherwise you arrive at a contradiction.

All roads lead back to victim blaming.

We all have the fundamental right to not be assaulted. The type of assault doesn't change that.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

If you conclude he has moral responsibility for the deaths, then logic requires that you also conclude that the laws are immoral. Otherwise you arrive at a contradiction.

All roads lead back to victim blaming.

We all have the fundamental right to not be assaulted. The type of assault doesn't change that.

Yes laws often times don’t result in Justice.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GGG

Yes laws often times don’t result in Justice.

This isn't one of those times.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

My favourite extra piece of trivia is one of the people who tried to kill Kyle was shouting the N word at the riots. I know it doesn't mean he deserved to die, of course, but he certainly wasn't a protestor there with BLM. The media narrative around this is such hot garbage

Fyp.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Fyp.

Yeah, like I said, I was specifically talking about the garbage media narrative that had actual news organizations writing he was shooting down BLM protestors. Keep up.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Yeah, like I said, I was specifically talking about the garbage media narrative that had actual news organizations writing he was shooting down BLM protestors. Keep up.

Except all you keep doing is posting about how these guys had criminal pasts and you’re not shedding any tears over their deaths, but also that you’re definitely not victim blaming anyone.

[edslunch]

If Rittenhouse is not guilty on the grounds of self-defence does that mean his surviving attacker should be charged with attempted murder?

[Ducay]

Another good piece on the media's deceit on this case from a centre-left viewpoint. Media, as always, pushing for more division and destruction to their own benefit.

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the...le-rittenhouse

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Except all you keep doing is posting about how these guys had criminal pasts and you’re not shedding any tears over their deaths, but also that you’re definitely not victim blaming anyone.

If you don't understand or want to understand how the media's lying and desire for pitting sides against each other plays out in the public's understanding of the case, that's on you.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by edslunch

If Rittenhouse is not guilty on the grounds of self-defence does that mean his surviving attacker should be charged with attempted murder?

Short answer - yes they can be charged, and it is a very good question that many have wondered. For Giage (guy shot) he potentially could, since drawing a weapon and pointing at someone is a subset of assault. There are arguments out there that since he didn't know the details of the first shooting, he was lawfully pursuing who he reasonably thought to be a criminal (As he testified), so could be some defenses around detaining him/citizens arrest, things of that like.

Similar defenses might apply to Maurice Freeland (Jump kick guy), who also could definitely also be charged with assault+.

There are clearly some decent defenses available to both of them, but yes, both could be charged since neither received any immunities in the trial (Maurice did not testify, despite being identified recently, as he wasn't granted immunity on a whole host of prior charges).

Question is whether the DA would pursue those charges.....which is highly doubtful

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Another good piece on the media's deceit on this case from a centre-left viewpoint. Media, as always, pushing for more division and destruction to their own benefit.

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the...le-rittenhouse

If I'm Rittenhouse I absolutely pursue a Defamation case

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by btimbit

If I'm Rittenhouse I absolutely pursue a Defamation case

Rittenhouse getting rich off of this would be peak American Justice.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Short answer - yes they can be charged, and it is a very good question that many have wondered. For Giage (guy shot) he potentially could, since drawing a weapon and pointing at someone is a subset of assault. There are arguments out there that since he didn't know the details of the first shooting, he was lawfully pursuing who he reasonably thought to be a criminal (As he testified), so could be some defenses around detaining him/citizens arrest, things of that like.

Similar defenses might apply to Maurice Freeland (Jump kick guy), who also could definitely also be charged with assault+.

There are clearly some decent defenses available to both of them, but yes, both could be charged since neither received any immunities in the trial (Maurice did not testify, despite being identified recently, as he wasn't granted immunity on a whole host of prior charges).

Question is whether the DA would pursue those charges.....which is highly doubtful

The prosecution has charged other people that participated in the incident- ones they didn't want to testify. The Ziminskys are awaiting trial so weren't called to the stand to testify by the defense because of their fifth amendment rights. The prosecutors have repeatedly delayed that trial presumably so that the Ziminskys couldn't testify in assistance to the defense.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Another good piece on the media's deceit on this case from a centre-left viewpoint. Media, as always, pushing for more division and destruction to their own benefit.

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the...le-rittenhouse

lol

Edit: to clarify - my lol is for posting a Bari Weiss article as a serious media critique. This is her entire schtick talking about the media's liberal bias

[PeteMoss]

Also love the posts that argue things that literally no is talking about. These guys are/were criminals? Yippee - has anyone posted anything about these being some awesome guys?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

lol

Edit: to clarify - my lol is for posting a Bari Weiss article as a serious media critique. This is her entire schtick talking about the media's liberal bias

1) It's not her schtick.
2) she's not wrong. The corporate media is extremely biased. The way they covered this entire case is bananas. The New York Times and Washington Post of 2012 are gone. Those publications are no longer centre or centre left.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

lol

Edit: to clarify - my lol is for posting a Bari Weiss article as a serious media critique. This is her entire schtick talking about the media's liberal bias

Bari does a pretty good job, and her perspective is usually on point.

Matt Taibbi also posted a useful read.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-ri...-only-shocking

It's paywalled, but Matt is worth the sub.

[PeteMoss]

You should throw up a Glenn Greenwald post now.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

lol

Edit: to clarify - my lol is for posting a Bari Weiss article as a serious media critique. This is her entire schtick talking about the media's liberal bias

Is anything in there wrong though?

Look at some of the MSNBC headlines about this case, it's disgusting. We all crap on Fox for this kind of thing, and rightfully so. Why is it taboo to point out that both 'sides' are just as guilty for doing it

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Is anything in there wrong though?

Look at some of the MSNBC headlines about this case, it's disgusting. We all crap on Fox for this kind of thing, and rightfully so. Why is it taboo to point out that both 'sides' are just as guilty for doing it

because they're not on his team