Kyle Rittenhouse Trial - Update: Acquitted On All Charges

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GGG

No, this is absolutely wrong.

Rittenhouse should not be compared to a rape victim. Rittenhouse as a victim SHOULD be blamed. He is morally responsible for these deaths. He was one of the main causes of these deaths.

By comparing him to a rape victim you imply that rape victims put themselves in situations to be raped. This is not true. Rapes occur generally with people known to the victim. A rape victim has no mora culpability in being raped. Rittenhouse took actions that led to these peoples death. Now the dead also took actions that were reasonably foreseeable to cause their deaths. Neither group should be compared to rape victims.

You are doing it for shock value and it’s disgusting.

There are two issues hear legal and moral responsibility. Do you believe that rittenhouse holds any moral responsibility for the deaths.

Adding more words doesn't change your point - it's still victim blaming.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by 81MC

No. His moral culpability ceased when he, without dispute and will all evidence to support, ran away and was chased down.

He put himself in a situation where this was a likely result. When the likely result happens you don’t shrug your shoulders. It is his fault these people are dead and he gets to live with it.

[Yamer]

A person going into a space where they should feel safe and have no reasonable expectation not to be vs. a person carrying a rifle into an active riot zone.

How the hell did this comparison even gain legs in the first place? It's been a very cringe read, ugh.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Adding more words doesn't change your point - it's still victim blaming.

I agree I am blaming him, his actions led to these people dying. In my post I specifically state he should be blamed.

I object to you comparison that its in any way comparable to people blaming a rape victim.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GGG

I agree I am blaming him, his actions led to these people dying. In my post I specifically state he should be blamed.

I object to you comparison that its in any way comparable to people blaming a rape victim.

I'm comparing them because the reasoning is identical.

As long as you are not directly threatening people, then you do not give up your basic right to not be assaulted, whether that assault is sexually or with a skateboard.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by GGG

I agree I am blaming him, his actions led to these people dying. In my post I specifically state he should be blamed.

I object to you comparison that its in any way comparable to people blaming a rape victim.

I'm absolutely a victim blamer in this situation, but for me it's toward the three people that got shot. All three were known criminals who put themselves in that situation, nobody forced them to go riot and attack a kid

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I'm absolutely a victim blamer in this situation, but for me it's toward the three people that got shot. All three were known criminals who put themselves in that situation, nobody forced them to go riot and attack a kid

It’s okay to be murdered if you have a criminal history?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It’s okay to be murdered if you have a criminal history?

As in death sentence based on their criminal past? Hell no.

But it is enough for them to lose credibility when it comes to attacking someone else

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It’s okay to be murdered if you have a criminal history?

they weren't killed because of their criminal history

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

they weren't killed because of their criminal history

So why bring it up continuously?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I'm absolutely a victim blamer in this situation, but for me it's toward the three people that got shot. All three were known criminals who put themselves in that situation, nobody forced them to go riot and attack a kid

Certainly the dead share in the responsibility that their dead. That doesn’t absolve Rittenhouse.

[GGG]

Nm

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Wormius

So why bring it up continuously?

I don't think we should.

But I think there is good evidence that Rosenbaum was not stable at the time (or in the past). That strengthens Kyle's claim that Rosenbaum was aggressive without Kyle provoking him.

[CaptainCrunch]

Can anyone say that strictly from a legal point of view, based on the laws currently booked that this was the wrong verdict? I'm not entirely sure. By the letter of the law, and the evidence handed to the jury and if anything some serious prosecutorial bungling. I don't think that this would have gone the other way.



Now, from a moral point of view, absolutely, from a gun law point of view for sure, From a this should disturb anyone yes. But that's not up to that level of courts to interpret.



I'm seeing a lot of posts (not here) but on twitter, labeling this a example of a racist court, or a decision based on a white racist jury. I'm not sure that those people are being entirely fair.



From a prosecutors stand point, I don't know, they should have taken a serious look at the chances of convinction and gone for the lesser charges earlier. They also seemed poorly prepared.


One thing that and just to throw this in here, I would like to see the States get rid of is the election of judges. That to me seems to be a massive political miscalculation. You can't have a judge that's beholden to voters and fundraising and potential conflict of that interest.



I do think that even though the discussion is never going to get serious no matter if its a Dem or Republic in the white house is the issue of gun control and gun violence. And I think the only way to get at that is with a serious reform of campaign financing and lobby laws. There is too much private interest money floating around out there to ever see any serious gun reform.



But getting back to this case, and the reaction to it online, there seems to be a real disconnect or maybe a lack of understanding on how this trial unfolded and the rules of trials.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GGG

Certainly the dead share in the responsibility that their dead. That doesn’t absolve Rittenhouse.

The facts absolve Rittenhouse.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The facts absolve Rittenhouse.

Legally.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GGG

Legally.

Glad we agree.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Yes. I don't condone that either. The openly carrying of a firearm is an awful idea, increases tensions, makes other people feel unsafe, and dramatically increases the chances of gun violence.

I’m not condoning it either. But stupid =/= malicious.

And everyone out on the street at 10:45 that night in Kenosha was willingly putting themselves in a violent, dangerous situation.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Glad we agree.

But we don’t really because you keep advocating g he has the same moral responsibility as a rape victim which is absolutely not true. You appear to be arguing that he has no moral responsibility for theses deaths.

[White Out 403]

My favourite extra piece of trivia is one of the people who tried to kill Kyle was shouting the N word at the riots. I know it doesn't mean he deserved to die, of course, but he certainly wasn't a protestor there with BLM. The media narrative around this is such hot garbage