[PGT] Out-Foxed! Flames DESTROY NYR 6-0

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Lucic has been decent, which is good. He isn’t a liability.

I can't recall any time Lucic has been terrible. You take his cap hit out of the equation and he was always a good player even on the bottom 6.

Now if he can add more offense, that makes his cap hit that much more tolerable.

[djsFlames]

Also to think Juuso Valimaki and Michael Stone are munching popcorn right now.

You wouldn't have dreamt it when Gio was snapped up, but the blue line looks as good and deep as ever.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by chedder

Tre built the roster to the coach's strengths? Hah. So he knew 4 years ago that Sutter would be the coach of the 2021/22 Flames and was just messing with us with the past 4 years of futility (aside from the lightning in a bottle stretch in 2019).

Left the teams two best players and biggest stars in a situation where they have a substantial risk of leaving for very little return. All part of the master plan I guess. He built a roster of players for a coach that he didn't even know he was going to hire. I'd say that's pure dumb luck and good fortune, not real gm skill.

You’re arguing against yourself. Essentially you are saying Treliving built a good team without Sutter in mind.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I can't recall any time Lucic has been terrible. You take his cap hit out of the equation and he was always a good player even on the bottom 6.

Now if he can add more offense, that makes his cap hit that much more tolerable.

If Lucic was done after this season I would sign him for 1M

we will see how things look in two years

certainly miles better than I was expecting

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Another thing I was dead wrong about. Before the DS hire, I wanted both guys but definitely Gallant more.

Looks to be a not great fit in NY. Could change, but didn't see that coming.

I wanted them to hire Sutter when they hired Peters.
I wanted them to hire Sutter when they retained Ward.
I wanted them to hire Sutter instead of Gallant.


The only time I wished we'd hired Gallant was when they hired the other GG.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Dion

To show how bad the Rangers defence is.

You just can't read the room can you?

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by chedder

Tre built the roster to the coach's strengths? Hah. So he knew 4 years ago that Sutter would be the coach of the 2021/22 Flames and was just messing with us with the past 4 years of futility (aside from the lightning in a bottle stretch in 2019).

Left the teams two best players and biggest stars in a situation where they have a substantial risk of leaving for very little return. All part of the master plan I guess. He built a roster of players for a coach that he didn't even know he was going to hire. I'd say that's pure dumb luck and good fortune, not real gm skill.

Whether you like it or not, the Flames have a good roster. Treliving’s biggest fault, has been his coaching hires. This is a good team, that finally has a good coach. Treliving has his faults, but he’s still built a good team.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Also to think Juuso Valimaki and Michael Stone are munching popcorn right now.

You wouldn't have dreamt it when Gio was snapped up, but the blue line looks as good and deep as ever.

Although Zadarov was ok tonight, he just always looks like something bad is about to happen

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by chedder

Tre built the roster to the coach's strengths? Hah. So he knew 4 years ago that Sutter would be the coach of the 2021/22 Flames and was just messing with us with the past 4 years of futility (aside from the lightning in a bottle stretch in 2019).

Left the teams two best players and biggest stars in a situation where they have a substantial risk of leaving for very little return. All part of the master plan I guess. He built a roster of players for a coach that he didn't even know he was going to hire. I'd say that's pure dumb luck and good fortune, not real gm skill.

Flames won 6-0 and are on pace for 128 points

don't make yourself look dumb

Get a new hobby if a 6-0 win doesn't make you happy

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Whether you like it or not, the Flames have a good roster. Treliving’s biggest fault, has been his coaching hires. This is a good team, that finally has a good coach. Treliving has his faults, but he’s still built a good team.

Bradley did something good? That's unpossible!

Obviously there must be some other explanation. Fire Treliving now!

[fire_starter]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Uh, happy 60th?

Haha not quite. 33 but wouldn't settle for a tie

[rogermexico]

The entire Mangiapane after-hours segment was wonderful.
But not as wonderful as Mangiapane going straight after Reaves and giving him a shove after that hit. What a beauty.

[Textcritic]

Did Adam Fox quit in the middle of that game?

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[chedder]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You’re arguing against yourself. Essentially you are saying Treliving built a good team without Sutter in mind.

I suppose I am. I was just trying to answer the original post as to why 'fire treliving' is still on top after the great start. I agree the roster is pretty good. But I definitely think Sutter is getting the most out of it. It's a long season and playoff success will determine whether they truly are a good team and not just overachieving. And all of the upcoming contract negotiations and/or trades of our stars will determine whether Brad is a good gm or not.

[TheScorpion]

I think y'all might appreciate this video.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1457203549532659713

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by chedder

Tre built the roster to the coach's strengths? Hah. So he knew 4 years ago that Sutter would be the coach of the 2021/22 Flames and was just messing with us with the past 4 years of futility (aside from the lightning in a bottle stretch in 2019).

I don't want to get into it, considering I'm one of those people butthurt about not getting Eichel, but:

Darryl Sutter's teams have always had the following:

- Excellent puck-moving defensemen (Whether it was Jordan Leopold in '04, Doughty/Voynov/Muzzin in '12 and/or '14, Kylington/Hanifin/Tanev/Andersson in '21)
- Strong crease clearing PK defensemen (Whether Regehr in '04, Willie Mitchell in '12, or... Gudbranson in '21)
- Two-way centres (Craig Conroy, Anze Kopitar, Mike Richard, Mikael Backlund, Elias Lindholm)
- Centres who bring speed down the middle (Matthew Lombardi, Anze Kopitar, (not the fastest, but his IQ and puck skills made it happen anyways), Jeff Carter, Dillon Dube)
- Sizey Situational centres (Stephane Yelle, Jarret Stoll, Anze Kopitar, ...Sean Monahan? lol)
- Big netfront style wingers (Jarome Iginla, Dustin Brown, Matthew Tkachuk)
- Elite Forwards Period (Jarome Iginla, Anze Kopitar, Johnny Gaudreau)
- Great scoring wingers (Jarome Iginla, Marian Gaborik, Tyler Toffoli, Andrew Mangiapane)
- Clutch AF wingers who have won the cup before (Martin Gelinas, Justin Williams, ...Milan Lucic...?)


And all that, has allowed guys like Kipprusoff, Quick, and now hopefully Markstrom, to have the best seasons of their careers in net.

But Jack Eichel would still have made me a lot more confident that we can hang with the likes of Colorado and Florida, teams who are tiers above this Rangers team.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames won 6-0 and are on pace for 128 points

don't make yourself look dumb

Get a new hobby if a 6-0 win doesn't make you happy

Happy they are playing well, don't need a new hobby and I guess I didn't make my point very well. The response was to the question of why Fire Treliving is still a hot topic. A great start doesn't negate the fact that many still think he's a very average general manager.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by chedder

Happy they are playing well, don't need a new hobby and I guess I didn't make my point very well. The response was to the question of why Fire Treliving is still a hot topic. A great start doesn't negate the fact that many still think he's a very average general manager.

Its just such a terrible take

on pace for 128 points he is not getting fired, move on...its the same couple posters with their agenda. Look at the data!

Guy is so far from the hot seat at the moment its not even worth talking about.

What other top 5 teams should fire their GM?

Markstrom and Tanev and two of the best UFA signings in years...I'm talking league wide

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Another thing I was dead wrong about. Before the DS hire, I wanted both guys but definitely Gallant more.

Looks to be a not great fit in NY. Could change, but didn't see that coming.

Lot's of young guys in NY. Calgary is different. Need to get the old guys showing the young guys. Then the young guys show the middle guys that they can be replaced. Then the free agent signings and trades working for a new contract. Then the middle guys start to show up.

[dino7c]

actually NM

GFG