[Trade] Eichel + 3rd to Vegas for Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd

[Iginla]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

But but but Friedman isn't an insider...

Weren't you the one that said Weekes was a top insider?

[really?]

Originally Posted by OmegaV4

Thank the Lord this is done.
Happy we didn't send assets to Buffalo in exchange for a "wait and see" situation.

Also nice to see that management acts from a position of reason instead of emotion. Calgary was competing with a tram who has exhibited a desperate need to be relevant in the near term, and the cost to outlast them would have been damaging to anything beyond the very short term interests of the team. The Flames are building a squad to compete over the course of the next decade, and it appears they would only make this deal if thst plan remained in tact.
I, for one, am glad to see that management has a plan and won't abandon that plan to chase shiney objects.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1456277658518659072

That’s good news and I appreciate KA for clarifying… Kevin Weekes and all the other pundits who jumped on that BS rumour started by Weekes are jokes and it’s part of why this fanbase is so worked up now.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Or he just does not make moves. Rumor in the summer was that he could have had Tarasenko (9 points in 7 games), Kyrou (10 points in 8 games) and Perunovich for Tkachuk. He stayed put and did not pull the trigger with team that wanted to move Tarasenko and wanted Tkachuk.

Trade proposals made by fans on HF or fringe Twitter accounts don’t constitute legitimate rumours.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Sucks we didn't get Eichel but, hey, the team is killing it right now. Focus should be on that anyway.

How Vegas goes forward will be interesting. Stone isn't out too much longer. Pacioretty has a broken foot, so he could be back in December/January. If Eichel's recovery goes perfect and he's ready in March/April, they will need to dump around $10MM before activating him. They will likely keep him on LTIR until the playoffs (if they make it), but that $10MM has to go at some point. They'll be forced to lose Smith to UFA I'm sure. But, then it's Dadonov, Marchessault, or Karlsson. The "top heavy" approach worked for Tampa, but they're starting to lose the "cheap" depth which made their success possible. Vegas is going to lose that depth right off the hop.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by really?

Also nice to see that management acts from a position of reason instead of emotion. Calgary was competing with a tram who has exhibited a desperate need to be relevant in the near term, and the cost to outlast them would have been damaging to anything beyond the very short term interests of the team. The Flames are building a squad to compete over the course of the next decade, and it appears they would only make this deal if thst plan remained in tact.
I, for one, am glad to see that management has a plan and won't abandon that plan to chase shiney objects.

Flames are building a team to compete for the next decade and by that you mean being a bubble team that is too good to bottom out but not good enough to get past the 1st-2nd round of the playoffs.

[stang]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Always the Bradsmaid never the Brad.

Treliving needs to go.

https://twitter.com/drdrai2/status/1...857550345?s=21

https://twitter.com/user/status/1456258957857550345

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

$10.369M in cap dumps or wait until the playoffs. And in fact the amount of cap dumped will have to be even more than that, because the players moved will need to be replaced.

I think it will depend on Vegas’s season.

If they fall flat between now and the trade deadline, they’ll sell players to make room for eichel. The trade deadline will inflate the price of any players they need to sell to make room eichel. This could make them plummet in the standings and end up with a top 10 pick which they get to keep. Eichel gets to play for the last 20-30 games of the season to get some hockey in and be ready for next year and Vegas restocks their prospect cupboard with a top ten pick to replace Krebs. Vegas bounces back next year with a healthy eichel.

Alternatively, if eichel is at all in the playoffs race by the trade deadline, Eichel’s return to play is delayed till the playoffs so they don’t have to trade any players to make room for him. They become a powerhouse team for this year’s playoffs and trade some players in the offseason to make room for eichel’s contract in 2022-2023.


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[Fan69]

Originally Posted by neo45

Sabres getting absolutely ripped for that return and rightfully so

Krebs is a nice piece but the center piece for Jack Eichel? Woof

Oh and Brad not having the pieces to beat this package isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of the man. He’s been here 7 years and can’t put together a package better than that for a franchise center - fire the man

Show us the better package they turned down?

What part of this exactly are posters like you missing? They wanted Krebs??

If you have a hankering for chocolate ice cream and you go down and they offer you two strawberries and a rocky road but the guy right next door does have chocolate where exactly are you in on the sale? As long as it takes to find out the guy next door has chocolate. If your missing the analogy Krebs is the chocolate we were never in it from the beginning other than as a cursory part of it.

Now not directing this particularly at you but multiple poster who seem to be struggling with this.

If you want to lay blame blame the team for not having a higher pick and having a better Center than Krebs that would have at least had us in the contest.

[Young Guns]

I know nothing about Krebs besides looking at hockeydb. 14 NHL games, 1 assist, 5'11", 180lbs.

Is this guy a blue-chipper prospect? It is hard to believe this is the best offer that was on the table. Have to assume Buffalo should of traded him last offseason.

I hope as time goes on everyone will look back at this and be relived we never made this trade.

[81MC]

This is a win. All in on a kid with a neck injury, this would backfire on us hard. Good job Flames.

[PeteMoss]

Tuch is a good player as well. He'll get a bigger role in Buffalo and should get back to the 20 goal guy again.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by stang

https://twitter.com/drdrai2/status/1...857550345?s=21

https://twitter.com/user/status/1456258957857550345

Go away

[FusionX]

I'm not sure why I let myself get so excited and it is so frustrating that the planets had to literally align for Vegas to make this work.

I probably shouldn't be so down but man, this sure does sting.

[BigFlameDog]

If it was all about Krebs then the negotiations probably never even got to roster players for Calgary, they would be offering different combinations of prospects to try to get the Sabres attention. IF that's the case this probably never even actually had Tkachuk's name in it.

Why take the chance of a leak and hurt feelings if you aren't going to get them to move off Krebs?

[CroCop]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I would hope if it wasn't true that Treliving (which looks to be the case) would have told Tkachuk as soon as it came out to not worry about it.

In any case this is still going be a distraction. Johnny and Noah were asked about Eichel post game and that was before things got crazy yesterday. Everyone in the hockey world saw that tweet and guys like Eric Francis will be licking their chops to ask those questions today.

[Brodie66]

Brad should have kicked those tires a little harder

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Iginla

Weren't you the one that said Weekes was a top insider?

No...I said he isn't an insider and I trusted Friedman.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think the issue here is that the people that are mad now are people that just wanted Treliving to "Overpay" to get a deal done.

People were willing to move Monahan, Valimaki, Zary, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd and potentially more (Pelletier). But the issue is that as fans we can just say "overpay to make the deal", but we aren't the GM.

And since the Hamonic trade where Treliving clearly "overpaid" to get the guy he wanted, and it failed, he's been gunshy to make that same mistake.

He doesn't want to lose a trade, or be seen as overpaying, and I do think it's what's caused us to end up as the runner up on a lot of these deals over the last 3 seasons.

Sometimes you need to be willing to "lose" a trade to get the guy you want.

In this situation I think what sucks is that it doesn't even feel like Vegas had to overpay.

Krebs is good prospect but I'm not sure how much better than Zary he truly is, Tuch is okay but may be a bit overrated from playing on a good team, and a 2022 1st with top 10 protection is completely reasonable.

re: the bolded

To put it another way, you need to fully understand what you are missing in order to be successful. True in any deal, in any context. Once you have clarity on that, you go get it. Doesn't mean you take the first option that comes along but the club has known for a long time it is short on high end talent up front in order to be a contender.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by stang

https://twitter.com/drdrai2/status/1...857550345?s=21

https://twitter.com/user/status/1456258957857550345

Normally these things are silly but that picture is legitimately funny.