[Trade] Eichel + 3rd to Vegas for Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Again, if Buffalo indeed held Krebs at a higher rate than any Flames prospect and that’s who they wanted there’s not much BT can do.

Just because some posters on a fan site think our prospects are as good or better doesn’t matter at all. If Buffalo had their sights set on Krebs and Vegas threw in some other players and picks it is not surprising in the least the deal was done.

They just need a boogeyman. If Treliving made the trade they would be mad about what he sent over.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Well, I guess do or die this season. If Gaudreau doesn't resign may as well blow it up.

Gaudreau doesn't sign before the trade deadline, but the Flames are in the playoff mix like they always are so Treliving does nothing because it's playoffs or bust. Flames end up missing as usual, Gaudreau walks, and Treliving just keeps repeating stuff about a process

[sa226]

It was probably much closer without the Vegas injuries.

Once Vegas could could make room with LTIR it probably wasn't close anymore. Buffalo could get most of what they wanted. The better prospect, a higher chance of a better first rounder, and a really good roster player on a really good cap hit.

Without the Vegas injuries, I still think they were the de facto favorites based on having what Buffalo wanted, but maybe the cap hurdles would have been too tough to overcome and Calgary could have swooped in.

The Flames were probably always 2nd place but more of a toss up until the Vegas LTIR situation.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1456277658518659072

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Would like to know this too. Was it a rumor from a credible source or just something tossed around.

Only rumor I saw was Taransenko and Thomas.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Would like to know this too. Was it a rumor from a credible source or just something tossed around.

From what I can gather, it originated here on CP and has no credibility behind it whatsoever.

If I’m wrong, I would like to hear it.

[stemit14]

I have not seen much discussion on here about the LTIR situation that made this happen for Vegas. Unless I’m wrong, they are planning on pulling a kucherov with eichel. Can anyone clarify if they have some other way around this other than selling players to make room for eichel?


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[3thirty]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Does the protected 1st pick defer to 2023 when it's a lottery pick (and it will be)?

I read it becomes an unprotected 2023 1st if it is top 10 this year. But unless it goes off the rails Vegas should be healthy and great next year.

[neo45]

Sabres getting absolutely ripped for that return and rightfully so

Krebs is a nice piece but the center piece for Jack Eichel? Woof

Oh and Brad not having the pieces to beat this package isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of the man. He’s been here 7 years and can’t put together a package better than that for a franchise center - fire the man

[flames_fan_down_under]

Gotta say I’m pretty disappointed in not landing Eichel, obviously Treliving couldn’t match whatever Vegas was offering. Still sucks to be on the other end. Oh well. We appear to have a strong squad!

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Does the protected 1st pick defer to 2023 when it's a lottery pick (and it will be)?

Yes. As does the 3rd going the other way. And yes, there’s a chance that could happen. Stone now has to sit for at least another week, and VGK have lost Tuch and still can’t activate Eichel until they can shed more than $10M in cap. So who’s going to be their #1C to lead them into a playoff position?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Kevin Weekes really sewered us here. Throwing Tkachuks name out there will definitely have a negative effect. The way Matthew went after Muzzingate proves he doesn’t have mental fortitude to block personal stuff out and it clearly affected his performance. I’m afraid how he will perform for the Flames now that his name was thrown out there wether it was true or not.

I would hope if it wasn't true that Treliving (which looks to be the case) would have told Tkachuk as soon as it came out to not worry about it.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1456277658518659072

There you go. Either it was a potential ask, or just a BS leak

[Azhouse]

I'm actually glad Calgary didn't go all in. There has been a dearth of prospects for years and I look forward to seeing some home grown talent in the lineup.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am not upset at all that it wasn't the Flames

A little irritated that it was Vegas. A little more irritated that the core of the deal is exactly what was rumoured several months ago.

Very irritating that Tkachuk's name was put out there, whether it was based on reality or not. I doubt it was a real offer though as I think Buffalo would have taken it.


Honestly though, the backfire potential for Eichel is too high.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I have not seen much discussion on here about the LTIR situation that made this happen for Vegas. Unless I’m wrong, they are planning on pulling a kucherov with eichel. Can anyone clarify if they have some other way around this other than selling players to make room for eichel?


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$10.369M in cap dumps or wait until the playoffs. And in fact the amount of cap dumped will have to be even more than that, because the players moved will need to be replaced.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Man, this thread is painful. The Xbox generation just thinks you can just go into GM mode and make trades happen. This is the real world. Things don't work that way. You need to have what the other team has. Adams was enamored with Krebs. That was the guy he wanted for some reason, and there was no going back. We didn't have what he wanted, so accept it and move on. It takes two parties to consummate a deal, and Vegas had what Adams wanted. You can't just stack up pieces if the individual you are working with is interesting in only one thing. If someone is looking for that mint '67 Mustang, your Porsche and Ferrari are not going to be of interest to them. It's just the way it is.

I think the issue here is that the people that are mad now are people that just wanted Treliving to "Overpay" to get a deal done.

People were willing to move Monahan, Valimaki, Zary, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd and potentially more (Pelletier). But the issue is that as fans we can just say "overpay to make the deal", but we aren't the GM.

And since the Hamonic trade where Treliving clearly "overpaid" to get the guy he wanted, and it failed, he's been gunshy to make that same mistake.

He doesn't want to lose a trade, or be seen as overpaying, and I do think it's what's caused us to end up as the runner up on a lot of these deals over the last 3 seasons.

Sometimes you need to be willing to "lose" a trade to get the guy you want.

In this situation I think what sucks is that it doesn't even feel like Vegas had to overpay.

Krebs is good prospect but I'm not sure how much better than Zary he truly is, Tuch is okay but may be a bit overrated from playing on a good team, and a 2022 1st with top 10 protection is completely reasonable.

[neo45]

Did the Red Wings get more for Mantha than the Sabres did for Eichel?

Brutal return here. Still can’t believe it

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1456277658518659072

But but but Friedman isn't an insider...

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Other recent trades of high-end players (Karlsson and Duchene) ended up as good returns for the selling team strictly because the picks ended up being top 5 picks.

The SJ deal was good fortune rather than hard-nosed deal making. The Sharks had just finished 10th overall when they traded away that 1st, and had picked up one of the best d-men in the game. I’m sure Ottawa’s management figured it would more likely be the 25th-31st OA pick than top-3.

But those deals are exactly why 1st round picks are almost always protected these days.