11-02-2021, 02:27 PM
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#721
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Franchise Player
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What is the NRD podcast?
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11-02-2021, 02:29 PM
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#722
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
What is the NRD podcast?
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Cold stove Podcast by NHLRumorsDaily on Twitter.
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11-02-2021, 02:29 PM
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#723
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
What is the NRD podcast?
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Nothing really doing...
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11-02-2021, 02:32 PM
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#724
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23
Nothing really doing...
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No Real Development
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11-02-2021, 02:42 PM
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#725
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by blankall
Sutter's major problem wasn't so much with who he brought in, but who he let go. Sutter had a bad habit of writing guys off and refusing to work with immature personalities. It's good to motivate people and not put up with BS, but as a GM you also need to make the most of your resources. It's this personality trait that led to the Phaneuf trade.
Sutter's UFA record was also deplorable. He did bring in a few great players, but also signed dozens of depth guys who were not of NHL quality. There was a constant revolving door in the bottom six. The current team has enough depth to keep Sutter from repeating those mistakes.
I think Sutter has actually matured a bit, and is taking a less hardline approach. I've noticed that when players make mistakes he doesn't staple them to the bench for inordinate amounts of time.
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I think all of this is a fair read on things. Who can forget Sutter not only planting a young, promising Phillippe Sauve to the bench, but then also embarrassing him in the media?
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11-02-2021, 02:50 PM
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#726
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary Satellite Community
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Originally Posted by joejoe3
No Real Development
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No Real Details
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11-02-2021, 02:54 PM
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#727
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Oakville, ON
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I agree, and I would also add that Sutter took over a team that didn't even have its own farm team and if I recall had one of the smallest scouting staffs in the NHL at the time. I recall reading that he really pushed to get a farm team for player development. Again, memory is fuzzy but I think we were sharing w Carolina.
He seemed to do well as a GM when he was acquiring players he was personally familiar with from his previous coaching gigs. Less so when he didn't previous coach them.
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11-02-2021, 03:00 PM
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#728
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
NRD podcast.
Vegas deal was close and thought was done on Friday. Krebs, Tuch, Conditional 1st, Brisson (Pat Brisson’s son) going the other way. Didn’t sound like Vegas was moving a Dman.
They said they talked about names from Calgary (I didn’t catch that however)
Basically said he has no clue when it will go down now. Surprised it is not wrapped up yet. No idea what the timeline is now
Vegas injuries make it easier from a cap perspective but not a team perspective. Does Vegas trade picks/prospects and punt this season? Are injuries causing the delay on the Vegas side?
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The Flames would be crazy not to beat that Vegas offer. There's lots of options for the flames without gutting the group. The Sabres ask must be still in an unrealistic territory for this deal not to be done already. I'm sure the movement of salary is an issue and that has some moving parts to make work, perhaps with another team or two, but I'm guessing there's one key piece that it's all hinging on.
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11-02-2021, 03:01 PM
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#729
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Number 39
He seemed to do well as a GM when he was acquiring players he was personally familiar with from his previous coaching gigs. Less so when he didn't previous coach them.
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When Sutter first took over as GM, he was his own best pro scout. He hadn't coached every player in the league, but he had coached against nearly all of them and knew their strengths and weaknesses. As time went on, his information became outdated, and the organization seemed reluctant to let him spend money on pro scouting.
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11-02-2021, 03:03 PM
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#730
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by greyshep
No Real Details
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So, a Treliving press conference?
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11-02-2021, 03:06 PM
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#731
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
NRD podcast.
Vegas deal was close and thought was done on Friday. Krebs, Tuch, Conditional 1st, Brisson (Pat Brisson’s son) going the other way. Didn’t sound like Vegas was moving a Dman.
They said they talked about names from Calgary (I didn’t catch that however)
Basically said he has no clue when it will go down now. Surprised it is not wrapped up yet. No idea what the timeline is now
Vegas injuries make it easier from a cap perspective but not a team perspective. Does Vegas trade picks/prospects and punt this season? Are injuries causing the delay on the Vegas side?
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I don't see how that solves their cap issues. They have space right now due to LTIR, but Pacioretty is supposed to be back late November, Tuch in Feb, Stone is apparently close, and Whitecloud is week to week. With those players back in the lineup, they would need to send down or waive around 4.5 million to be cap compliant. They would definitely not be able to fit Eichel's salary if he was cleared prior to the playoffs.
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11-02-2021, 03:09 PM
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#732
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Number 39
I agree, and I would also add that Sutter took over a team that didn't even have its own farm team and if I recall had one of the smallest scouting staffs in the NHL at the time. I recall reading that he really pushed to get a farm team for player development. Again, memory is fuzzy but I think we were sharing w Carolina.
He seemed to do well as a GM when he was acquiring players he was personally familiar with from his previous coaching gigs. Less so when he didn't previous coach them.
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If you look at all of his moves, it's a baffling revolving door. Sutter moving out guys for no reason, and then often re-acquiring them, while losing resources in the moves:
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...l_Sutter/165/1
He lets guys like Tanguay, Conroy, Jokinen, etc..Only to realize they are exactly what the Flames needed and re-acquire them.
You've got a team with a great defence/goalie and Conroy/Iginla up front. Surely it couldn't have been that difficult to acquire a second line and just not trade that line immediately away. Conroy didn't even want that much money when he left Calgary. He signed for 4 years and $3million/year and just wanted some long term certainty.
I know the lockout was a factor, but I still cannot for the life of me comprehend why you would go to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals and then decide to make so many personnel changes the next season.
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11-02-2021, 03:12 PM
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^ Anybody could see that the team over-achieved. Changes had to happen for sustained success. It nearly worked too, the Flames just lost in first rounds then Sutter panicked and starting making crap moves.
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11-02-2021, 03:14 PM
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#734
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
NRD podcast.
Vegas deal was close and thought was done on Friday. Krebs, Tuch, Conditional 1st, Brisson (Pat Brisson’s son) going the other way. Didn’t sound like Vegas was moving a Dman.
They said they talked about names from Calgary (I didn’t catch that however)
Basically said he has no clue when it will go down now. Surprised it is not wrapped up yet. No idea what the timeline is now
Vegas injuries make it easier from a cap perspective but not a team perspective. Does Vegas trade picks/prospects and punt this season? Are injuries causing the delay on the Vegas side?
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Monahan, Zary, unconditional first 2022 and Emilio Petterson is a better offer than the Vegas one, and substantially less than most people have been talking about in this thread.
To fit the cap in Calgary, Zadorov would have to be moved before Eichel came back.
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11-02-2021, 03:14 PM
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#735
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by sticktrick
The Flames would be crazy not to beat that Vegas offer. There's lots of options for the flames without gutting the group. The Sabres ask must be still in an unrealistic territory for this deal not to be done already. I'm sure the movement of salary is an issue and that has some moving parts to make work, perhaps with another team or two, but I'm guessing there's one key piece that it's all hinging on.
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The Vegas offer is actually a lot, depending on how you view Krebs. Tuch is a 25 year old 20+ goal and 50+ point scorer. He's probably somewhere between Dube and Mangiapane in value. Krebs has a ton of talent. He destroyed the AHL, but has been useless in the NHL. Maybe He's on par with Valimaki.
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Dube + Valimaki + 1st + second?
Maybe Buffalo just prefers the Vegas players and/or sees Tuch as more on the level with Mangiapane and wants him out of Calgary.
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11-02-2021, 03:15 PM
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#736
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Harry Lime
Monahan, Zary, unconditional first 2022 and Emilio Petterson is a better offer than the Vegas one, and substantially less than most people have been talking about in this thread.
To fit the cap in Calgary, Zadorov would have to be moved before Eichel came back.
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I don't think that's a better offer. I think it's quite a bit worse actually.
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11-02-2021, 03:15 PM
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#737
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I don't think that's a better offer. I think it's quite a bit worse actually.
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I have a better opinion of Monahan than most people.
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11-02-2021, 03:16 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Yeah I don't believe that Vegas package from NRD.
No way Vegas doesn't want to send more cap back then that.
Also think if that was on the table then it would be done already. That is probably exactly what Buffalo would want.
Krebs = 1st
Tuch = Good young player
Brisson = 1st
1st
To me that is probably what Buffalo's ask is, not what Vegas's offer is. Although it would be kind of funny if Eichel hires Pat Brisson to be his agent, and then his son ends up getting traded as part of the package for Eichel.
Last edited by SuperMatt18; 11-02-2021 at 03:18 PM.
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11-02-2021, 03:19 PM
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#739
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
What is the NRD podcast?
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Missed opportunity at calling it Nhl Eichel Rumours Daily.
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11-02-2021, 03:21 PM
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#740
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Yeah I don't believe that Vegas package from NRD.
No way Vegas doesn't want to send more cap back then that.
Also think if that was on the table then it would be done already. That is probably exactly what Buffalo would want.
Krebs = 1st
Tuch = Good young player
Brisson = 1st
1st
To me that is probably what Buffalo's ask is, not what Vegas's offer is. Although it would be kind of funny if Eichel hires Pat Brisson to be his agent, and then his son ends up getting traded as part of the package for Eichel.
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Agreed, I would think Vegas would have to move a contract
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