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[TOfan]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I think it’s Calgary too. Vegas just does not make sense with their injured players. I don’t see them including their first round pick with the year they are having. I think Flames can put together the best package if another team does not step up with an A+ prospect.

I’d throw in another first round pick for a team like Arizona to take on 25-35% of his cap too.

I think it happens this week and I think it’s us.

25-35% That's a tad optimistic.

Even at the low end, 25%, That's $2.5M for the next 5 years. In other words $10M and the cap hit to your roster for one first round pick.......ahhhh, Arizona might want at least one more 1st round pick to pay that tab. If they retained $1M/year, that might be a bit more realistic. Bare in mind Toronto had to add a 1st round pick for the Huricanes to eat one year of Patrick Marleau's cap hit which only had one year at $6M IIRC.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The risk is negligible compared to the risk of not making a move.

The risk of not making a move includes the strong potential that players like Gaudreau get disillusioned with the team management and decide they really want to test Free agency. Or Tkachuk just taking his QO to enable the same next year. Going all in tells those guys we're serious about winning, and we're brining in a national team buddy of theirs to make it happen.

Too many armchair doctors in here thinking there's huge risk he never plays again. I rate that (as knowingly as your ratings) at a .5% chance of happening. Most likely Eichel gets the best medical care possible for his condition anywhere in the world and comes out just as good as previously.

Picking him up is a pretty big risk. If he comes back and isn't as good - you've got a $10 million cap hit for the next 5 years for a guy who isn't worth it. There is a huge benefit in that you rarely get a chance to acquire a top 10 talent just entering his prime but you can't just write-off the risk.

[madmike]

Call me crazy, but I don’t really want Eichel given what it will likely cost to get him. The Flames will be giving up multiple on-ice assets for this season, while not having Eichel available. And who knows what exactly they’re getting out of Eichel long-term?

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The risk is negligible compared to the risk of not making a move.

The risk of not making a move includes the strong potential that players like Gaudreau get disillusioned with the team management and decide they really want to test Free agency. Or Tkachuk just taking his QO to enable the same next year. Going all in tells those guys we're serious about winning, and we're brining in a national team buddy of theirs to make it happen.

Too many armchair doctors in here thinking there's huge risk he never plays again. I rate that (as knowingly as your ratings) at a .5% chance of happening. Most likely Eichel gets the best medical care possible for his condition anywhere in the world and comes out just as good as previously.

For some reason, I find myself humming ‘More Than A Feeling’.

[Textcritic]

I am excited by the prospect of the Flames acquiring Jack Eichel, but possibly even just as excited to see the Lanny meltdown that would inevitably ensue.

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[Iginla]

With the start we've had, a possible post trade slump has me concerned for the mental state of CP.

[Yoho]

After the Flames next loss this board will be all in on Eichel.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Iginla

With the start we've had, a possible post trade slump has me concerned for the mental state of CP.

What post trade slump would be worse? After he is traded here or after he is traded to the Knights?

Flames miss out on Eichel then go on a slide and this place will be very toxic

[CroFlames]

Whoever starts the thread when the trade is announced will go down in CP history.

I'm already researching proper celebratory gifs for the occasion.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Whoever starts the thread when the trade is announced will go down in CP history.

I'm already researching proper celebratory gifs for the occasion.

You mean sureloss? He’s already pretty well cemented his legacy.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am excited by the prospect of the Flames acquiring Jack Eichel, but possibly even just as excited to see the Lanny meltdown that would inevitably ensue.

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Go back under your bridge there huldrefolk. I'm actually behind getting Eichel if the cost is reasonable and people understand the probable outcomes. It's the ridiculous garbage of get him at any cost, and throwing around six pieces as suggestions, that s getting tiring. When all is said and done I think the return for Buffalo is going to be underwhelming and will be a win for the team acquiring him... so long as the surgery is successful and he recovers completely. That is where the risk is, and teams will be taking that into consideration and hedging their bet that 26% of these types of surgeries still have negative outcomes.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by madmike

Call me crazy, but I don’t really want Eichel given what it will likely cost to get him. The Flames will be giving up multiple on-ice assets for this season, while not having Eichel available. And who knows what exactly they’re getting out of Eichel long-term?

I have doubts that the Flames are offering multiple current roster players, especially in light of the start to the season. There are probably one or two existing roster players to balance out cap issues. Part of me suspects that Calgary has the best offer on the table, but it isn't what Adams wants and feels that he will be viewed as losing the trade. So, he keeps waiting for someone to blink and offer more.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by madmike

Call me crazy, but I don’t really want Eichel given what it will likely cost to get him. The Flames will be giving up multiple on-ice assets for this season, while not having Eichel available. And who knows what exactly they’re getting out of Eichel long-term?

Not multiple… all reports are that the Sabres don’t want a lot of salary coming back. Monahan and Valimaki I don’t think impact this team much short term, then you inject Eichel near playoff time

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by rhino

Not multiple… all reports are that the Sabres don’t want a lot of salary coming back. Monahan and Valimaki I don’t think impact this team much short term, then you inject Eichel near playoff time

That's actually a deal I could get behind. Monahan, Valimaki, a conditional 1st in 2021, and a conditional 1st in 2022. The conditions being that Eichel must play more than 20 games in in the 2021-22 season, or the pick becomes a 2nd, and Eichel must play more than 60 games in 2022-23, or the pick becomes a 2nd. Two players and two picks, all risk limited.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by rhino

Not multiple… all reports are that the Sabres don’t want a lot of salary coming back. Monahan and Valimaki I don’t think impact this team much short term, then you inject Eichel near playoff time

You just have to pray that none of our centers or defensemen go down with an injury in the meantime.

[saillias]

Seravalli on the Fan this morning still thinks its Vegas. Not sure if someone's mentioned yet, this thread moves fast.

It's not really clear why or how they pull it off. He spends so much time explaining why it's complicated and difficult for them to make it happen.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

You mean sureloss? He’s already pretty well cemented his legacy.

Agreed; Sureloss has more than earned the right to start that thread, should it happen.

[CroCop]

Originally Posted by rhino

Not multiple… all reports are that the Sabres don’t want a lot of salary coming back. Monahan and Valimaki I don’t think impact this team much short term, then you inject Eichel near playoff time

Can anyone really explain how we aquire McDavid lite and only give up our 4th line Center and healthy scratch Dman off the current roster? Seems far fetched at best especially when you consider Monahan has a lnmc that likely has Buffalo as a no go. If we are getting Eichel it is not gonna be that pain free.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

That's actually a deal I could get behind. Monahan, Valimaki, a conditional 1st in 2021, and a conditional 1st in 2022. The conditions being that Eichel must play more than 20 games in in the 2021-22 season, or the pick becomes a 2nd, and Eichel must play more than 60 games in 2022-23, or the pick becomes a 2nd. Two players and two picks, all risk limited.

I'd be into such a deal as well. I'd prefer to trade the 22 and 23 1st round picks (with conditions on one of them ideally, but unconditional if needed) than have to deal Zary/Pelletier/Coronato. That way we still maintain that "push from the bottom" that having those three players in the system would provide.

Originally Posted by saillias

Seravalli on the Fan this morning still thinks its Vegas. Not sure if someone's mentioned yet, this thread moves fast.

It's not really clear why or how they pull it off. He spends so much time explaining why it's complicated and difficult for them to make it happen.

Yeah, I struggle to see how it makes since for Vegas unless they're effectively folding on this season given their injury woes. It's complicated from a cap and a warm bodies perspective for Vegas.

I'm hoping Weekes on the NHL Network is right on this one.

[FlamesAddiction]

Probably already mentioned, but I have to wonder with Vegas struggling with injuries and results, they may be less willing to give up unprotected picks while the Flames may be willing to give up at least one unprotected pick. That could be a big difference in the value.