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[VilleN]

Originally Posted by saillias

i have bad news about a majority white sport from upper middle class backgrounds with most having high school educations. You might have to accept that your team is likely heavily republican and several of your favourites are Trump guys

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...president.html

I think you've ignored a very crucial stat here - nationality. Highly unlikely that many Scandinavians and Canadians are Trump Guys.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I was listening to the Hockey PDOcast recently and they made a good point (in my eyes): Calgary needs to increase their risk profile and increase their range of outcomes. They’ve been so conservative for so long, all they get are the same results (as they put it “the definition of average”). They need to introduce risk, so that they begin to see different results rather than just being average.

On that same episode (415), Johnston and Emily Kaplan both confirm Calgary as being in on this.

I'm not sure I'd call the Flames super conservative in recent years. Both Dougie Hamilton trades were big moves. I guess if you expect big moves every year - then they've been conservative.

If the Flames think they will be good - this would be the year to make trades with a late first rounder and two second rounders in the draft.

[iggyloob12]

Not much new here from Mike Harrington with the Buffalo News except for some unsubstantiated speculation about Lindholm and Monahan, and questions about Maloney's attendance at games on the West Coast.

While it seems Matthew Tkachuk would not be in play, what about Elias Lindholm ($4.85 million through 2023-24) or Sean Monahan ($6.375 million through 2022-23) to pump the forward core, balance some of the money and soften the loss of Eichel?

https://t.co/DuL3wtlEcP?amp=1

[Monahammer]

The risk is negligible compared to the risk of not making a move.

The risk of not making a move includes the strong potential that players like Gaudreau get disillusioned with the team management and decide they really want to test Free agency. Or Tkachuk just taking his QO to enable the same next year. Going all in tells those guys we're serious about winning, and we're brining in a national team buddy of theirs to make it happen.

Too many armchair doctors in here thinking there's huge risk he never plays again. I rate that (as knowingly as your ratings) at a .5% chance of happening. Most likely Eichel gets the best medical care possible for his condition anywhere in the world and comes out just as good as previously.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I just wonder how the team will do with a few current roster players going. Could derail this great start

It could happen, but this is not a move for this year. Trading for Eichel is about the next four years, and if this year is the cost for that, then so be it.

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[CliffFletcher]

I haven’t heard Eichel called a cancer. But sources have been cited saying he’s not really a leader, and he might do better on a team where he can just play and not be The Guy.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by saillias

i have bad news about a majority white sport from upper middle class backgrounds with most having high school educations. You might have to accept that your team is likely heavily republican and several of your favourites are Trump guys

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...president.html

Not sure why anyone would care. 🤔

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The risk is negligible compared to the risk of not making a move.

The risk of not making a move includes the strong potential that players like Gaudreau get disillusioned with the team management and decide they really want to test Free agency. Or Tkachuk just taking his QO to enable the same next year. Going all in tells those guys we're serious about winning, and we're brining in a national team buddy of theirs to make it happen.

Too many armchair doctors in here thinking there's huge risk he never plays again. I rate that (as knowingly as your ratings) at a .5% chance of happening. Most likely Eichel gets the best medical care possible for his condition anywhere in the world and comes out just as good as previously.

To me the health thing isn’t even worth speculating on, as I’m no doctor. I listened to that episode of 31/32 Thoughts with the doctor on it and thought it was very interesting.

It all comes down to the Flames doctors. If they’re comfortable with the injury and procedure he wants done, that’s all I need as a fan to be stoked. Speculating beyond that just seems weird to me. We don’t have access to his medical records, so it’s just blind speculation and people siding with whichever team’s doctors seemingly support their stance on acquiring Eichel in the first place.

[Vinny01]

At least one Sabres fan is going to be really sad if this is their expectation

Says the Knights package of Krebs+Tuch+Theodore+1st could be matched by Calgary by offering 1st+Zary+Andersson+Tkachuk

I am now checking HF general board, HF Flames and Sabres, here and Twitter.

This needs to end soon

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

At least one Sabres fan is going to be really sad if this is their expectation

Says the Knights package of Krebs+Tuch+Theodore+1st could be matched by Calgary by offering 1st+Zary+Andersson+Tkachuk

I am now checking HF general board, HF Flames and Sabres, here and Twitter.

This needs to end soon

Lol. Time to take a break man. Hfboards is not the rabbit hole you want to go down.

Should be a good game tonight though!!!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It could happen, but this is not a move for this year. Trading for Eichel is about the next four years, and if this year is the cost for that, then so be it.

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I disagree, I very much think there is a later this year component to an Eichel trade. And giving up Monahan isn't going to hurt our roster enough to change that.

- signed, a huge monahan fan

[Hemi-Cuda]

[Buff]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

I feel like this is a narrative created by Oilers fans. My brother in law has told me that both ROR and Eichel are locker room cancers while Flames were on the precipice of trading for them.

Yet, he argued vehemently that Neal was not, in fact, a locker room cancer. That did not age well..

I feel that if you're stuck in Buffalo you're going to have a bad time, and a player's attitude may reflect that.

This was even talked about a few years ago around the time that ROR wanted out or shortly after he was traded. Wasn't there another player who abruptly left to go back home to Europe?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I disagree, I very much think there is a later this year component to an Eichel trade. And giving up Monahan isn't going to hurt our roster enough to change that.



- signed, a huge monahan fan

Of course, that potential is there. But my point is that if it does not happen, and the Flames miss the playoffs, this deal could still be a huge success.

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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Lol. Time to take a break man. Hfboards is not the rabbit hole you want to go down.

Should be a good game tonight though!!!

Oh I know it is not something I am proud of but since we got seriously linked to Eichel I have been searching for any news or tweets I can. It feels like this deal should be close one way or another but it has felt that way since the draft in July so here we are in November and no deal.

I am pumped for the game tonight my first regular season game live since the last game against Vegas before the league shut down going for 7 straight. Hoping for a win tonight and the Eichel trade to break on my drive home from the dome

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by saillias

i have bad news about a majority white sport from upper middle class backgrounds with most having high school educations. You might have to accept that your team is likely heavily republican and several of your favourites are Trump guys

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...president.html

Lol. Wut?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The risk is negligible compared to the risk of not making a move.

The risk of not making a move includes the strong potential that players like Gaudreau get disillusioned with the team management and decide they really want to test Free agency. Or Tkachuk just taking his QO to enable the same next year. Going all in tells those guys we're serious about winning, and we're brining in a national team buddy of theirs to make it happen.

Too many armchair doctors in here thinking there's huge risk he never plays again. I rate that (as knowingly as your ratings) at a .5% chance of happening. Most likely Eichel gets the best medical care possible for his condition anywhere in the world and comes out just as good as previously.

That’s some pretty wild speculation.

You have no basis for saying the risk is negligible, made up some wild speculation about how players feel and then state confidently you know better than the armchair doctors.

Maybe Johnny sees his best friend get traded and that’s what causes him to become disillusioned. And maybe Chucky hates seeing a bigger fish come to town.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Based on reading about both surgeries and outcomes, both Anterior Cervical Discectomy with Fusion (ACDF) and Artificial Disc Replacement (ADR) will have similar outcomes when it comes to pain. ACDF requires a longer recovery time because of the need for bone grafting to take, but it provides greater stability and less risk associated with implanted material migrating and causing problems. Pain still remains a problem with both surgeries, but mostly residual pain from already damaged nerves healing.

I would like to know what list of athletes that have had this surgery and were able to return to their sport. Chris Weidman is held up as the shining light on the hill, but who else? I've seen Peyton Manning's name thrown around, but he did NOT have ADR as some have suggested. Manning went through a number of treatments and finally relied on a fusion surgery to gain the stability in his spine and strength back in his throwing arm.

https://sinicropispine.com/history-p...eck-surgeries/



Did they? They had a leading expert in the field examine Eichel and make the call on the type of surgery to have. The recommendation was ACDF versus the ADR. Based on reading about the differences between the two and the reasons each surgery is recommended, there may be more to Eichel's injury than we know. Eichel my be suffering from a degenerative condition where ACDF is more likely to solve the problem short and long-term and not put the player at risk. I would leave this to the medical experts to make the call, and the Sabres have a leader in his field and advisor to both the NHL and NFL for injuries and surgeries like this.



You shouldn't believe rumors. Try and get to the facts. Here's an article written by a Sabres scribe who covers the whole issue pretty well.

https://www.diebytheblade.com/2021/5...disc-conundrum

Listen to this podcast for the doctor recommending this and mentions of athletes with this surgery. https://podcast.sportsnet.ca/31-thou...c-replacement/

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

That’s some pretty wild speculation.

You have no basis for saying the risk is negligible, made up some wild speculation about how players feel and then state confidently you know better than the armchair doctors.

Maybe Johnny sees his best friend get traded and that’s what causes him to become disillusioned. And maybe Chucky hates seeing a bigger fish come to town.

Its as wild and baseless as the lot in here saying Eichel is locker room cancer or won't be able to play post surgery. That was the point.

[GioforPM]

This isn't going to end until one of Vegas or Calgary says "no more". Until then Buffalo can keep playing them off against each other. They should each make a sealed bid and the winner gets Eichel.