11-02-2021, 06:44 AM
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#141
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
I’m not sure a one game sample size is the defining answer.
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Probably not. That said, I’m more impressed by Makar’s game than Fox’s. Makar is pretty good defensively and just controls play offensively. Fox just doesn’t seem like the centrepiece of plays as much as Makar, and I’m not convinced he’s as good defensively as Makar (or Heiskenan).
It’s not a bad contract, I’m just not convinced it’s some huge discount.
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11-02-2021, 06:50 AM
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#142
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Yup. Better to go for that big retirement contract at 30 than 31.
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This. The Rangers likely wanted 8 years, Fox 6. They settled on 7.
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11-02-2021, 06:52 AM
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#143
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Probably not. That said, I’m more impressed by Makar’s game than Fox’s. Makar is pretty good defensively and just controls play offensively. Fox just doesn’t seem like the centrepiece of plays as much as Makar, and I’m not convinced he’s as good defensively as Makar (or Heiskenan).
It’s not a bad contract, I’m just not convinced it’s some huge discount.
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I’m not sure anyone said it was some huge discount.
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11-02-2021, 07:06 AM
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#144
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Probably not. That said, I’m more impressed by Makar’s game than Fox’s. Makar is pretty good defensively and just controls play offensively. Fox just doesn’t seem like the centrepiece of plays as much as Makar, and I’m not convinced he’s as good defensively as Makar (or Heiskenan).
It’s not a bad contract, I’m just not convinced it’s some huge discount.
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Makar is not good defensively. Adam Fox is the much better defensive player.
Makar is average defensively at best, not sure how you see him as good defensively to be quite honest.
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11-02-2021, 08:28 AM
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#145
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
He kind of sucked against Calgary so, OK.
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Yes, but this season everyone sucks against Calgary
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11-02-2021, 08:32 AM
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#146
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
He kind of sucked against Calgary so, OK.
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Even on the play we all loved (Lucic), he maintained possession and composure, and made a play to his d partner. The guys good. We can hate that, but he’s good.
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11-02-2021, 08:52 AM
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#147
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Franchise Player
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Guess I don't understand why some are trying to diminish the quality of Fox the hockey player. One of the very best defensemen in the league after two years, yeah a player like that is going to get paid. Makar makes $500K less and is signed for one less year. Very comparable players, very comparable deals.
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11-02-2021, 09:04 AM
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#149
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Guess I don't understand why some are trying to diminish the quality of Fox the hockey player. One of the very best defensemen in the league after two years, yeah a player like that is going to get paid. Makar makes $500K less and is signed for one less year. Very comparable players, very comparable deals.
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Do you really not understand?
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11-02-2021, 09:43 AM
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#150
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by timbit
Like Tanev....Slavin, Hedman, Josi, Heiskanen etc. ?
That kind of defensive impact?
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Fox's impact is weird. He's not particularily fast, not particularily strong. Most of those guys are pretty big and fast and smart.
But Fox' hockey sense is almost generational. He's basically a 38, 39 year old Lidstrom.
Which is wierd praise for a 20-something in his prime, but it is praise.
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11-02-2021, 09:43 AM
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#151
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
I’m not sure anyone said it was some huge discount.
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I'm reliably told by this thread that all the pundits are calling it a "steal". I've called it a fair contract from the get go.
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11-02-2021, 09:44 AM
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#152
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
I’m not sure anyone said it was some huge discount.
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Even on the play we all loved (Lucic), he maintained possession and composure, and made a play to his d partner. The guys good. We can hate that, but he’s good.
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I was more talking about him versus Coleman.
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11-02-2021, 10:17 AM
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#153
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Canada 02
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Yeah defensively it really isn't close. Fox is much better than Makar at defence.
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11-02-2021, 10:19 AM
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#154
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Knightslayer
Yeah defensively it really isn't close. Fox is much better than Makar at defence.
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Admittedly, my opinion is based on eye test only. But I've seen more of Makar I suppose. He plays very well defensively IMO, for a guy who goes up ice as much as he does.
I think Makar is the most talented guy on his team. Over Rantanen, and Mackinnon.
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11-02-2021, 10:34 AM
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#155
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Admittedly, my opinion is based on eye test only. But I've seen more of Makar I suppose. He plays very well defensively IMO, for a guy who goes up ice as much as he does.
I think Makar is the most talented guy on his team. Over Rantanen, and Mackinnon.
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So you have Makar in a top 5 player in the league category. If so, his contract is an amazing steal. He is 28th highest paid guy in the league.
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11-02-2021, 11:19 AM
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#156
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Admittedly, my opinion is based on eye test only. But I've seen more of Makar I suppose. He plays very well defensively IMO, for a guy who goes up ice as much as he does.
I think Makar is the most talented guy on his team. Over Rantanen, and Mackinnon.
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I am leery of the advanced stats when it comes to defensemen. I prefer to rely on watching them play.
And I too have to admit to seeing more of Makar than Fox, but I agree that Makar looks like the better player defensively, from what I have seen.
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11-02-2021, 11:20 AM
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#157
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Let's put it this way: if they were both available, I would be going 100% after Makar, before Fox.
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11-02-2021, 11:25 AM
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#158
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Let's put it this way: if they were both available, I would be going 100% after Makar, before Fox.
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Character always plays a role too, imo. I expect I'm biased, but seems obvious to me that one of the two is lacking.
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11-02-2021, 11:29 AM
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#159
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Crash and Bang Winger
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What about Nurse???
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11-02-2021, 11:32 AM
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#160
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
So you have Makar in a top 5 player in the league category. If so, his contract is an amazing steal. He is 28th highest paid guy in the league.
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I said more talented. He's not a better player than Mackinnon yet. And he plays defence which is paid less for some reason. And I like Makar's deal, though it's only 6 years.
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