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Senator Clay Davis · 10-30-2021, 10:15 PM

Like all advanced stats what xG is really trying to show is what teams do the most repeatable elements that cause success (i.e. wins). Scoring a lot of tap ins is far more repeatable then scoring a bunch of worldies, and the reverse is true for defense where conceding worldies is better then conceding tap ins. Perfect example this year was Man Utd and Leeds where United scored 5, but had an xG below 2. They scored some great goals, but if you played the exact same match 100 times they would rarely score 5 goals and the most likely total across 100 would be 2.

But like a lot of advanced stats the flaw is in applying context, it looks at every situation is the exact same. But it's still the fairest and most consistent way to evaluate by taking bias out of it.

cheevers · 10-31-2021, 08:20 AM

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you have to ride it out with Kane this season. Selling him in January solves absolutely nothing, his value is completely shot right now and finding a good replacement in January is not easy either. I'd personally bench him for a bit, then hope he picks it up at some point under the new manager and somewhat restores his value, then sell him in the summer.

I agree with this, however I wonder if Newcastle is the wild card in this. If they want to break the bank for a statement signing, it might be worth it for spurs.

Slava · 10-31-2021, 08:28 AM

If you can get a good price for Kane, I’d take it. He’s completely disinterested, and that’s not going to improve this year. He wants to be gone and that’s obviously the main issue. Couple that with Nuno not being able to get him motivated in any capacity and it’s not going well.

Senator Clay Davis · 10-31-2021, 09:58 AM

Why would he go to Newcastle unless they were giving him obscene wages? His desire to leave Spurs is primarily to win something, and while in the long term Newcastle are better bets than Spurs to win something they are still years away from seriously contending for anything. I still think you can get £75 million for him from City in January, his value might be down but City still need him to win anything this year. And if you can get £75 million I think you dump him and move on.

Slava · 10-31-2021, 10:10 AM

Sounds like change is imminent at Tottenham. All kinds of rumours about them having a meeting and sacking Nuno. Apparently Mason will take charge again until Christmas.

To me this is pretty pathetic because it means they have no one waiting…but if they have Gallardo lined up (his contract comes up in December), that would be great. Apparently Potter is the betting favorite but I find that hard to believe. They could’ve had him last summer maybe, but it seems unlikely he’d leave in the middle of the season. After the hilariously inept search last time, anything is possible I guess.

Slava · 10-31-2021, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Why would he go to Newcastle unless they were giving him obscene wages? His desire to leave Spurs is primarily to win something, and while in the long term Newcastle are better bets than Spurs to win something they are still years away from seriously contending for anything. I still think you can get £75 million for him from City in January, his value might be down but City still need him to win anything this year. And if you can get £75 million I think you dump him and move on.

Oh, and you answered your own question. If they pay a dumb amount of money, they can get players in. That’s the recipe for success for these clubs and we all know it’s coming in one form or another.

The Big Chill · 10-31-2021, 10:31 AM

How can they sack him already? That’s ridiculous.

Slava · 10-31-2021, 10:41 AM

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How can they sack him already? That’s ridiculous.

It was a bad appointment in the first place. But the play and setup has been particularly pathetic. We haven’t even had a shot on goal in a game and a half. Honestly, us being 5-0-6 probably flatters us. We squeaked out a couple wins and showed almost nothing in the losses. Statistically, we’re between 18-20 in almost every category. It’s quite grim.

Nuno seems like a decent person and I kind of feel bad for him in that sense. But the fact is, it’s just not working.

Barnet Flame · 10-31-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Why would he go to Newcastle unless they were giving him obscene wages? His desire to leave Spurs is primarily to win something, and while in the long term Newcastle are better bets than Spurs to win something they are still years away from seriously contending for anything. I still think you can get £75 million for him from City in January, his value might be down but City still need him to win anything this year. And if you can get £75 million I think you dump him and move on.

A bidding war between City and Newcastle would be helpful for Spurs.

Newcastle will be desperate for a big name. City will be off the pace if current trends continue and will be looking to inject more goals into the side.

Kane would be attractive to both in the January window. Everyone knows he is checked out and knows what he is capable of when dialled in. It’s a unique set of circumstances that Spurs could benefit from.

Locke · 10-31-2021, 10:50 AM

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How can they sack him already? That’s ridiculous.

I dunno....maybe at some point you just have to suck it up and start again?

Spurs are a huge mess.

I dont even know why they brought Nuno in. Their squad is not that great and they didnt really give him an opportunity to make it better and there doesnt seem to be a willingness to give him that opportunity, their ambitions are unclear and then the whole Kane fiasco over the summer...

That team lives and dies by Kane. They've done it for a while, its more or less worked, but when he isnt firing and ostensibly doesnt want to be there anymore then....they're dying.

Johnny199r · 10-31-2021, 11:30 AM

Wolves fans were fed up with Nuno by the end of last season. He was always playing uninspiring, super defensive soccer with questionable team selections. Strange hire by Spurs.

Matty81 · 10-31-2021, 11:41 AM

Yeah at first I was POed with the way Nuno jerked palace around for so long before going to spurs but you'd have to say that it's looking like he did them a favor, especially with how good Vieira looks.

devo22 · 10-31-2021, 11:47 AM

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Wolves fans were fed up with Nuno by the end of last season. He was always playing uninspiring, super defensive soccer with questionable team selections. Strange hire by Spurs.

this, but really, their whole search for a new manager was pretty comical. I don't think Levy and Paratici were on the same page there at all and you have to wonder what that dynamic is going to look like going forward. Levy clearly wanted a different direction (remember that weird talk about DNA?) and Paratici had his buddies from Italy earmarked, and in the end, they settled on a weird compromise that probably satisfied nobody at the club. Makes sense to pull the plug there early, they are not going anywhere with Nuno.

Cappy · 10-31-2021, 12:10 PM

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Not a single shot on target. At home. Against an opponent that just got demolished last week.

Spurs should have smelled blood in the water and pounced, instead they got annihilated.

100%. Lineup selection was atrocious. Davies on wing when Reggie is the only one actually creating offence. Lo celso cannot run the Centre and his Miss pass to son was beyond bad.

Skipp and hojberg are both great but shouldn’t be on the field together as their is no creativity in the
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The Big Chill · 10-31-2021, 12:36 PM

It’s been 10 games. What manager can create instant success in that short of a time period? Do they think that their squad is so great that he should come in and be immediately a mainstay in the top four?

Locke · 10-31-2021, 12:46 PM

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It’s been 10 games. What manager can create instant success in that short of a time period? Do they think that their squad is so great that he should come in and be immediately a mainstay in the top four?

I think it just goes back to: "why bother hiring this guy if you dont let him strengthen or change the squad?"

Whats the point? Its like they were expecting him to make bricks without clay.

It just seemed destined to fail.

VladtheImpaler · 10-31-2021, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Sounds like change is imminent at Tottenham. All kinds of rumours about them having a meeting and sacking Nuno. Apparently Mason will take charge again until Christmas.

To me this is pretty pathetic because it means they have no one waiting…but if they have Gallardo lined up (his contract comes up in December), that would be great. Apparently Potter is the betting favorite but I find that hard to believe. They could’ve had him last summer maybe, but it seems unlikely he’d leave in the middle of the season. After the hilariously inept search last time, anything is possible I guess.

I fail to see why Potter would leave a CL contender for...

devo22 · 10-31-2021, 12:49 PM

it's also about trends. They started with a couple of good results, but they've regressed pretty quickly and are trending in the wrong direction.

sometimes you have to accept you've hired the wrong guy and move on. Wolfsburg just did the same thing with Mark van Bommel the other day.

Matty81 · 10-31-2021, 12:54 PM

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I fail to see why Potter would leave a CL contender for...

He'll be gone from brighton soon imo, it's just too small of a club to keep a manager a big club wants (i also just don't think anyone can say no to double wages not to mention the financial resources to keep most of what he builds) but the kind of guy he is can't see it happening mid season. Will be next summer. Very measured and thoughtful guy, just don't see him walking out on his team. Plus spurs or whoever wants him would have to pay a decent chunk of compensation fee and pay out their existing manager.

marsplasticeraser · 10-31-2021, 02:08 PM

Newcastle fan here. They don’t need a striker now, need midfield and defenders that can defend and distribute the ball. I’d be perfectly happy with no offensive additions in the short term.

Also, can’t see Kane being motivated at a potentially relegated side.

Kane to city makes sense. Use the money to take some bodies off of united.

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Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

A bidding war between City and Newcastle would be helpful for Spurs.

Newcastle will be desperate for a big name. City will be off the pace if current trends continue and will be looking to inject more goals into the side.

Kane would be attractive to both in the January window. Everyone knows he is checked out and knows what he is capable of when dialled in. It’s a unique set of circumstances that Spurs could benefit from.