[Rumour] Seravalli: Eichel resolution expected in coming days; VGK and Buffalo talks very active

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

People mad at Vegas should be redirecting their anger to the incompetency of several NHL GM's that created this monster.

Vegas was the most asset-rich franchise in NHL history from JUMP. There's no competing with the prospect and asset capital they accumulated.

It's too bad, and highly disappointing for the Flames because it keeps them in the dreaded middle zone. Not bad enough to get high draft picks, too good for ownership to greenlight a rebuild. This was an opportunity to edge into elite territory and have a fighter's chance, or to totally bomb out and do a proper rebuild.

Now, we can hope that more tinkering on the edges solidifies this roster as a playoff contender. It's a scary proposition with some huge contract renewals on the horizon and a history of inconsistent performance from those players.

Yeah I can't hate the expansion player - I can only hate the game (and the bozo managers that played badly).

That said, Vegas has made good moves over the years but is certainly not mistake free - Lehner seems to have been a misstep. A lack of a great 1C (masked by Karlsson's anomolous first season there) has hurt them. and they are in a pretty precarious position right now as far as having to win or have a pretty rapid decline due to contracts and age of some of their top players, without a lot of draft capital.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It is ridiculous how much of an asset pool Vegas was able to accumulate right from its inception that allowed it to be a contender for every big name that became available.

The rules for expansion are deeply flawed.

The rules were designed that way on purpose. The other 30 NHL owners made a cold-blooded, calculated decision that put $1.15 billion in their pockets. Vegas and Seattle weren't paying that kind of money for old-fashioned expansion teams.

Of course the fans of those 30 teams don't like it, which is our right. But on the whole, it's kind of fun for us all to have Vegas to hate. A perpetual heel is so much more entertaining than a perpetual loser!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by greyshep

I am so tired of this approach. Swing for the fences, bring in a big ticket. Its a rare opportunity. If it doesnt work out, strip it down and go hard after a rebuild. Enough of the mediocrity.

Quit rolling over and letting the glitzy markets take every star player that comes available.

Define "swing for the fences". What offer assures you of a "win" here? Especially versus a Theodore offer.

[Gaskal]

I guess them wanting a Theodore makes sense if Tre isn't willing to budge on Hanifin.

Still... #### Vegas.

[Toonage]

^^ Right? Would seem Hanifin would have to be moved and right now, for this Flames team, that doesn't make much sense.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The rules were designed that way on purpose. The other 30 NHL owners made a cold-blooded, calculated decision that put $1.15 billion in their pockets. Vegas and Seattle weren't paying that kind of money for old-fashioned expansion teams.

Of course the fans of those 30 teams don't like it, which is our right. But on the whole, it's kind of fun for us all to have Vegas to hate. A perpetual heel is so much more entertaining than a perpetual loser!

I'lll take perpetual loser and Jack Eichel in Flames silks, thank you very much.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

When did Peyton Krebs become the next Crosby?

Seems to be a bit overrated in my opinion.

Krebs is a play driver with a non-stop motor. He is the type of guy you win with.

Think of how good Mangiapane looks right now. He is that type of player with higher offensive upside.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I guess them wanting a Theodore makes sense if Tre isn't willing to budge on Hanifin.

Still... #### Vegas.

Even if Treliving offered Hanifin++, does that beat a Theodore/Krebs+ offer?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Even if Treliving offered Hanifin++, does that beat a Theodore/Krebs+ offer?

No, so I think we have to be brave here and accept that the Golden Knights are going to blow their whole leg off just to get it done.

I really wanted Eichel though. Very sad feels right now.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Even if Treliving offered Hanifin++, does that beat a Theodore/Krebs+ offer?

No I do not believe it does.

[Bonded]

Maybe it is all a smokescreen and Hanifin's day to day is making sure he didn't actually get injured

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You're basing that off of the handful of games they've played this year? Without a bunch if their best players?

Vegas finished tied for 1st overall last season and went to the conference finals again.

Them adding Eichel is a ####ing disaster for the Flames IMO.

No actually thought in the off season they'd be a bad team and miss the playoffs. Vegas was good without Stone so with him injured they should still be a good team. Pacioretty is a good player but good teams can still surivive without a good player or two.

I think them selling futures has caught up to them. I think they'll be a non playoff team for 3 years or longer. They don't scare me even with eichel.

Heck edmonton has mcdavid and draisatl, both better players than eichel and they can't win a playoff game.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'lll take perpetual loser and Jack Eichel in Flames silks, thank you very much.

Well, you've already got the perpetual heel instead, so it's a bit late to make that call now.

[Monahammer]

Theodore > Hanifin so if he is on the table we are probably taking a seat. I dont think its the right move fore Vegas though.

I am also going to dissent on the Krebs comments here. I think he's an OK prospect but not the best prospect on either team. Zary has as good or better a pedigree (and made team Canada...) with similar production and better size. + plenty of folks around here think Coronato is a step above Zary (also disagree but ok).

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Theodore > Hanifin so if he is on the table we are probably taking a seat. I dont think its the right move fore Vegas though.

I am also going to dissent on the Krebs comments here. I think he's an OK prospect but not the best prospect on either team. Zary has as good or better a pedigree (and made team Canada...) with similar production and better size. + plenty of folks around here think Coronato is a step above Zary (also disagree but ok).

If Buffalo thinks he is the best prospect available then that is all that matters and I think that was floated months ago by the talking heads.
I will only be disappointed if the return to Sabres is crappy.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Theodore > Hanifin so if he is on the table we are probably taking a seat. I dont think its the right move fore Vegas though.

Agreed.

+ plenty of folks around here think Coronato is a step above Zary (also disagree but ok).

Also agreed. But Coronato is a pure sniper where Zary isn't, and snipers are very hard to come by. So while Coronato may not be a better prospect over all, he's probably more valuable to the organization – especially at RW.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Buffalo thinks he is the best prospect available then that is all that matters and I think that was floated months ago by the talking heads.

Fair enough, I just think it's silly that some people have wantonly flocked to that talking point so easily.

IMO a strong comparable for Krebs is Morgan Frost.

[djsFlames]

The silver lining is if Vegas can't find a way to make the money work that Buffalo would be satisfied with.

They have a ton of cap that will come off IR at some point and up against it as is. They need to shed serious money to add a 10M player. And Krebs and even Theodore don't make up that ground money wise.

Its much more complex making the trade work with Vegas than Calgary right now.

But if Buffalo likes the Knights package they probably find a way to gymnastics it into place.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Theodore > Hanifin so if he is on the table we are probably taking a seat. I dont think its the right move fore Vegas though.

I am also going to dissent on the Krebs comments here. I think he's an OK prospect but not the best prospect on either team. Zary has as good or better a pedigree (and made team Canada...) with similar production and better size. + plenty of folks around here think Coronato is a step above Zary (also disagree but ok).

The problem is it doesn't matter what any on CP think vis-a-vis Krebs versus Zary. It seems like a pretty safe conclusion that Krebs is considered by pundits/scouts/etc to be better. Really, all that matters is what Vegas thinks of them.

[FBI]

I’m coming around to the fact that Sutter is a game breaker