[News] Quenneville resigns as Head Coach of the Panthers.

[MJK]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If they resign...they dont get paid.

It’s more than that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Why do they get to resign instead of being fired?

Frankly, outside of meaningless optics (which mean nothing when everyone knows the details anyway), it prevents their teams from having to pay any termination pay. I doubt Quenneville’s contract covers his precise involvement as a fireable offence.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Maybe. None of us know until we're in those sorts of high pressure situations. I'm a person who tries not to judge too harshly. I'm not saying he's clean or didn't do anything wrong, he certainly did, and he did deserve a severe punishment, but I don't think it means he's automatically a monster.

There is room for two thoughts in my head at the same time. There's room for shades of gray and nuance. That's all.

He thought it was a good idea to coach minutes after the Beach interview...the guy is a terrible human being

and he lied about it until he was actually forced out

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If they resign...they dont get paid.

That isn't true.

Bill Peters resigned after he negotiated a severance package with the Flames. I am sure Quenneville negotiated one too.


The reason they prefer resignations is that there is significantly less chance of a wrongful termination law suit coming forth because the guy quit and wasn't fired.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by getbak

Gotta think Chevy's gone next.

The last part of Bettman's statement appears to make that more or less a certainty - if the NHL's position is that not only did Quenneville need to go, but that it's not even entirely up to him whether he's ever allowed back in the future, would suggest that Chevy's position as a GM isn't tenable.

I honestly do see a difference between the two. My understanding of Cheveldayoff's role as AGM was essentially as a cap analyst. I think he should have spoken up against the course of action that they took, but I can also understand how someone in that position would come to the conclusion that he has nothing to do with coaching or personnel decisions, or player management besides salaries. I'm not even sure why he was in the meeting.

I don't have a problem with him being out in Winnipeg, I just didn't think this reflected nearly as badly on him as on Quenneville.

[morgin]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

JQ is just a person who used terrible judgement and did something terrible as a result. He’s rightfully paying for that now. But a truly bad person? I doubt it.

Covering up sexual assault simply to avoid a distraction and then lying about it doesn’t meet your litmus test for being a bad person? I feel like that speaks volumes about someone’s character. People show you who they are, you should believe them.

Edit: this isn’t even getting into the supposed reference letter he wrote even with full knowledge of what happened that directly led to the guy getting a job where he went on to sexually assault someone else. Seriously, not a bad person?

[MJK]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

That isn't true.

Bill Peters resigned after he negotiated a severance package with the Flames. I am sure Quenneville negotiated one too.


The reason they prefer resignations is that there is significantly less chance of a wrongful termination law suit coming forth because the guy quit and wasn't fired.

This. But I can’t type this fast on my phone. Hah

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He thought it was a good idea to coach minutes after the Beach interview...the guy is a terrible human being

I think it literally aired as the game was happening, IIRC.

Easy there tiger. You got your pound of flesh.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

That isn't true.

Bill Peters resigned after he negotiated a severance package with the Flames. I am sure Quenneville negotiated one too.


The reason they prefer resignations is that there is significantly less chance of a wrongful termination law suit coming forth because the guy quit and wasn't fired.

Peters took a lot longer though.

[IGGYFORMVP]

Originally Posted by getbak

Gotta think Chevy's gone next.

That is a good thing. Everyone involved should be fired. Without exception. As well they should all be sued.

[cam_wmh]

Dave Hodge nails it.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453757062811426821

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

That isn't true.

Bill Peters resigned after he negotiated a severance package with the Flames. I am sure Quenneville negotiated one too.


The reason they prefer resignations is that there is significantly less chance of a wrongful termination law suit coming forth because the guy quit and wasn't fired.

Well yeah IF its negotiated, but when you quit a guaranteed contract, you get nothing.

When fired, they owe you the full amount.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The last part of Bettman's statement appears to make that more or less a certainty - if the NHL's position is that not only did Quenneville need to go, but that it's not even entirely up to him whether he's ever allowed back in the future, would suggest that Chevy's position as a GM isn't tenable.

I honestly do see a difference between the two. My understanding of Cheveldayoff's role as AGM was essentially as a cap analyst. I think he should have spoken up against the course of action that they took, but I can also understand how someone in that position would come to the conclusion that he has nothing to do with coaching or personnel decisions, or player management besides salaries. I'm not even sure why he was in the meeting.

I don't have a problem with him being out in Winnipeg, I just didn't think this reflected nearly as badly on him as on Quenneville.

Not as badly but his recent statements are pretty sad deflections.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

‘The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either — but right through every human heart.’ —Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

There are no people who are all good or all bad. Quenneville is a human being, and as such, capable of both good and evil. He did wrong, and admits it. Better late than never, and I hope he has a chance to earn redemption.

You don't need to hope, he has his opportunity to earn redemption. He's not going to jail, he's still breathing. He has the mental capacity, time and financial resources to make a huge positive impact with his life if that is what he wants to do. His public image may never recover though.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I think it literally aired as the game was happening, IIRC.

Easy there tiger. You got your pound of flesh.

Don't let your being a fan of a sports team cloud your judgement

This guy is a despicable human being

99.9% of people think he shouldn't have coached last night, he knew exactly what happened obviously but thought a regular season game was a bigger deal. I hope he enjoyed it because it will be his last.

NHL forced him out...Panthers were cool with him coaching

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I think it literally aired as the game was happening, IIRC.

Easy there tiger. You got your pound of flesh.

The game wasn't being played in space. He could have left the game.

You should probably stop as your bias as a Panthers fan is coming out heavily.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I get why this has to happen, I really do.

But.

As a Panthers fan, seeing the only coach to really do anything significant with this team having to go now just as they're peaking....well, that kinda sucks. As a fan.

But.

I get it. It just sucks.

I can't help but laugh at this point. First the Gallant situation couple of years back when the team was peaking under him and then the owners decided to kick him out. And now this. I guess what can go wrong will go wrong!

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Don't let your being a fan of a sports team cloud your judgement

This guy is a despicable human being

99.9% of people think he shouldn't have coached last night, he knew exactly what happened obviously but thought a regular season game was a bigger deal. While I hope he enjoyed it because it will be his last.

My judgement is absolutely fine, thank you very much. Don't presume anything just because I like the team.

I will pose it the other way. What if this news came out about Sutter tomorrow? After this hot start, are you treating him with as much animosity as Quenneville? Somehow I doubt it.

There are few situations where morality is absolute and certain. I shudder to think that you can feel that way.

I get that everyone is mad. I'm mad too. However, I also think everyone needs to be rational in the wake of this. Mob justice and extreme viewpoints are no way to deal with tragedies like this one.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

There are very few things in life you can’t come back from, and very few people who are entirely bad or entirely good.

JQ is just a person who used terrible judgement and did something terrible as a result. He’s rightfully paying for that now. But a truly bad person? I doubt it.

Terrible judgement is when I wear socks with Crocs.

Writing a reference letter for a guy you know sexually assaulted a player and also doing nothing about it means more than "Terrible judgement". He isn't a good person.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by morgin

Covering up sexual assault simply to avoid a distraction and then lying about it doesn’t meet your litmus test for being a bad person? I feel like that speaks volumes about someone’s character. People show you who they are, you should believe them.

Edit: this isn’t even getting into the supposed reference letter he wrote even with full knowledge of what happened that directly led to the guy getting a job where he went on to sexually assault someone else. Seriously, not a bad person?

If it makes you feel better, I don’t think he’s a good person. Has he done more bad than good in his life? No idea. But what he did in 2010 certainly tips the scales hard enough to make it tough to ever balance out.