10-25-2021, 08:16 PM
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#5181
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: VanCity
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I'd be okay with Tkachuk+ going in the Eichel trade. I think we could keep Monahan and hope he turns it around, flip him for a winger or draft pick when Eichel is ready to go. That way we're not selling him ultra low value. I just don't think Tkachuk fits the Sutter system, he's skilled but slow as molasses and struggles to forecheck.
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10-25-2021, 08:28 PM
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#5182
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Lifetime Suspension
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If Tkachuk going the other way means the + is greatly reduced, I might entertain it.
It also makes the upgrade to the top 6 reduced. Eichel brings maybe 20 more points than Tkachuk does, albeit at the much more important position.
You'd also have to be CERTAIN Johnny will re-sign.
Would prefer four futures.
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10-25-2021, 08:31 PM
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#5183
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I'm saying it's done Thursday 2 PM Calgary time.
I have no inside knowledge but when I'm right I'm gonna look like a freakin' genius.
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2:01pm!
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10-25-2021, 08:34 PM
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#5184
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: VanCity
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djsFlames
If Tkachuk going the other way means the + is greatly reduced, I might entertain it.
It also makes the upgrade to the top 6 reduced. Eichel brings maybe 20 more points than Tkachuk does, albeit at the much more important position.
You'd also have to be CERTAIN Johnny will re-sign.
Would prefer four futures.
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That's my thought too.
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10-25-2021, 08:34 PM
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#5185
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Lifetime Suspension
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Wednesday dinner time. That's my bet. And I fully expect it to be wrong.
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10-25-2021, 08:38 PM
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#5186
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djsFlames
Could live with Lindholm, Backlund, Gawdin, Richardson down the middle for 3 months.
Under Sutter they could hold the fort.
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Ugggh…. Has to be Valimaki, just add draft picks…
Monahan+Valimaki+Zary/Pelletier+2022 1st plus whatever 2nd or later
Dube is a non-starter, very versatile player. He is going to be very good. Then guts us making the 2022 1st potentially a lottery pick
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10-25-2021, 08:52 PM
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#5187
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Franchise Player
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Dube can’t be a non starter
Not for Jack Eichel
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10-25-2021, 08:53 PM
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#5188
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Dube can’t be a non starter
Not for Jack Eichel
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Not for full healthy Jack Eichel, but for gamble on Jack Eichel ever returning to 100% he is for sure
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10-25-2021, 08:54 PM
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#5189
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa GM
Ugggh…. Has to be Valimaki, just add draft picks…
Monahan+Valimaki+Zary/Pelletier+2022 1st plus whatever 2nd or later
Dube is a non-starter, very versatile player. He is going to be very good. Then guts us making the 2022 1st potentially a lottery pick
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Dube is very much available if he gets the Sabres to bite on this.
Eichel
Lindholm
Backlund
will be well worth the patience and immediate short term pains.
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10-25-2021, 08:57 PM
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#5190
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
they pretty much already are...and dominating
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Ok…let’s not get carried away
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10-25-2021, 08:57 PM
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#5191
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa GM
Not for full healthy Jack Eichel, but for gamble on Jack Eichel ever returning to 100% he is for sure
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Then don’t bother trying to get him
If you aren’t winning to give up Dube then bow out
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10-25-2021, 09:07 PM
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#5192
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Then don’t bother trying to get him
If you aren’t winning to give up Dube then bow out
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Then bow out
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10-25-2021, 09:09 PM
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#5193
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa GM
Then bow out
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No cahones.
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10-25-2021, 09:10 PM
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#5194
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djsFlames
No cahones. 
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80% Eichel isn’t an elite top line center. There is a good chance that’s what we end up with
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10-25-2021, 09:11 PM
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#5195
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa GM
80% Eichel isn’t an elite top line center. There is a good chance that’s what we end up with
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A 10% Eichel is better than Dube.
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10-25-2021, 09:14 PM
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#5196
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightslayer
A 10% Eichel is better than Dube.
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Geez, again not a lot of hockey knowledge here….. Dube’s ceiling is 2 center, the bigger piece is that he doesn’t gut our center position to make us a lottery team.
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10-25-2021, 09:17 PM
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#5197
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa GM
80% Eichel isn’t an elite top line center. There is a good chance that’s what we end up with
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How do you figure? Everything I’ve read about the procedure says that almost everyone has a full recovery. How is it a “good chance” a 24 year old professional athlete doesn’t?
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10-25-2021, 09:21 PM
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#5198
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa GM
Then bow out
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You are very high on Dube and that is okay but he would have to become a low end #1C to not include for Eichel and that isn't likely
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10-25-2021, 09:22 PM
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#5199
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
How do you figure? Everything I’ve read about the procedure says that almost everyone has a full recovery. How is it a “good chance” a 24 year old professional athlete doesn’t?
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We are talking major neck surgery where there is a handful of elite athletes that have come back to be as dominant as previous….. have their been 20? Have we heard about athletes who haven’t? We need to consider that as a real option
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10-25-2021, 09:23 PM
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#5200
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Lifetime Suspension
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I like Dube as much as any one. But drawing the line at Dube for Eichel is what GMs that won't ever win anything in the NHL do.
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