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Old 10-23-2021, 02:41 PM   #141
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Monahan 0 points, 1 shot, -2

Going to need better.
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Iagree that Valimaki should get a chance to redeem himself next game. He did right the ship in the 3rd.

Also, I am of the opinion that Valimaki doesn't handle physical play well, and is more effective in a possession game. So I think NY fits his style better than WAS did.

(However, I think Sutter will sit him)
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Iagree that Valimaki should get a chance to redeem himself next game. He did right the ship in the 3rd.

Also, I am of the opinion that Valimaki doesn't handle physical play well, and is more effective in a possession game. So I think NY fits his style better than WAS did.

(However, I think Sutter will sit him)

Nah, it's Sutter. Did you think Sutter would start Vlader after Markstrom's shutout performance?
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None of those guys were remotely impactful today, outside of some PKing. Gudbranson also took an unecessary interference, even if it was a dive by the other guy.

Whatever fits the size narrative though, I guess.
I feel like the effect of team size is tough to appreciate unless the game is getting intense.

Opposing players less likely to lunge at pucks along the boards, more likely to get rid of pucks quicker. Doesn’t necessarily need to just be the nuclear deterrent to keep Tom Wilson in check. It’s probably a difference that’s felt on the ice but not as easily noticed in the stands. Sure affects me in games when I’m on the ice with 4 big guys.
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Monahan 0 points, 1 shot, -2

Going to need better.
Don't disagree but Tkachuk is the one who continues to underwhelm me. When he gets the puck on his stick in the O-zone, he can do some magic with it but I would like to see him bring some more dominance overall offensively. More so, because of what he's been paid and will be paid after this season.

ETA: Didn't mean to bring negativity after a win.
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Not necessarily this afternoon, but as far the internal culture/identity the dressing room knows they aren’t getting pushed around this year, whereas the last few years if a team like the Caps pushed hard like in the 2nd the Flames couldn’t shift the tide back.
I still don't get this claim at all. The Flames didn't "shift the tide back" any differently than in past years. They won in 3v3 OT after a tight checking, scoreless 3rd. A bounce one way or the other changes the whole storyline.

Maybe in another timeline the goalie doesn't make a save on an unlucky bounce and we lose 4-3 in the 3rd. Or Geoff Ward pulls the goalie for choking a 3 goal lead and the backup goalie who hadn't played in months is suddenly being asked to warm up.

A few big bodies didn't make that perceived difference. Zadorov wasn't in the lineup. They had big bodies like Bennett, Lucic, and Jankowski in past years too. And usually the backbreaking mistakes would be made by a guy like Juuso Valimaki or Dougie Hamilton or Lucic, not a core player or a small player who gets pushed around.

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Sutter's style of play is appropriate for tight checking games, but it's not going to be because of Trevor Lewis or Tyler Pitlick or even everyone's new favourite Gudbranson. Those guys are responsible ways to plug the lineup but they're still just that - plugs. Not one of them has even established themselves as Garnet Hathaway tier since arriving here.
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Who gets the game puck?
Obviously they need to cut it into 3 pieces
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I still don't get this claim at all. The Flames didn't "shift the tide back" any differently than in past years. They won in 3v3 OT after a tight checking, scoreless 3rd. A bounce one way or the other changes the whole storyline.

Maybe in another timeline the goalie doesn't make a save on an unlucky bounce and we lose 4-3 in the 3rd. Or Geoff Ward pulls the goalie for choking a 3 goal lead and the backup goalie who hadn't played in months is suddenly being asked to warm up.

A few big bodies didn't make that perceived difference. Zadorov wasn't in the lineup. They had big bodies like Bennett, Lucic, and Jankowski in past years too. And usually the backbreaking mistakes would be made by a guy like Juuso Valimaki or Dougie Hamilton or Lucic, not a core player or a small player who gets pushed around.



Sutter's style of play is appropriate for tight checking games, but it's not going to be because of Trevor Lewis or Tyler Pitlick or even everyone's new favourite Gudbranson. Those guys are responsible ways to plug the lineup but they're still just that - plugs. Not one of them has even established themselves as Garnet Hathaway tier since arriving here.
Matthew Phillips plays bigger than Mark Jankowski ever did. That's an odd name to throw in there for support of your argument.
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Elias Viktor Zebulon Lindholm....#28 ......was a Swedish force today.

The other swedes on this team were pretty good too.

Those 2 points couldn't have come at a better time.
Build us up some swagger.
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According to MSNBC, Lindy's hat trick was the first by a Flames player against the Capitals since Tom Lysiak did it in 1978.
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That Lindholm goal was the nicest individual effort I remember since the Backlund one years ago against Edmonton.
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AGH!!!

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Et tu Sutter? Et tu?
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Monahan 0 points, 1 shot, -2

Going to need better.
He needs better linemates

Imagine if you are Monahan and see all those juicy passes to Lindholm? Those used to be his.
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Very fun game to watch! Pretty evenly played game overall, and the Flames found a way to win on the road against a team that hadn't trailed all year. Big 2 points!

Lindholm's shorthanded goal is one of my favorite goals in years. Loved the physical play to gain the puck, the patience and hands in close, and then roof-daddy! Awesome.

And I thought Vladar was just fine. No bad goals allowed at all, smart puckhandling all game, and an assist on the game winner! I know he let in three, and maybe he could have had one or two of them by making a great save, but I don't think he can faulted for any of them, IMO.

I also thought the criticisms of Andersson on the Ovi goal were a little unwarranted. He turned the way he did because he was defending against the developing 2 on 1. A good back check took that away but it looked like a surefire 2 on 1 initially. By the time he realized that Ovi had already shot the puck.

And Gudbrandson!! He's been awesome. Regular bottom pairing shift and great on the PK. So solid so far.
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Wait, so Sutter thinks Kylington made a bad read on the caps' 2nd goal?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1451976463624769543

I don't agree
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Kylington wears the horns for the second goal according to Darryl. Wrong read and should’ve played a more “zone” read and not engaged the puck carrier wide. Given where the goal scorer was (same side) and the Flames forwards were on the other side of the ice, makes sense. Wilson wasn’t going anywhere with any speed and was looking to drop it back anyways, and a Kylington took himself out of the play and left that lane wide open.

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That Lindholm goal was the nicest individual effort I remember since the Backlund one years ago against Edmonton.
Backlund in last two minutes vs the Predators just before Covid also.
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I love Sutters answers to Francis....he's so facetious and somewhat condescending.
I wonder when Eric bursts into tears and begs Sutter to not be so mean?

But Eric just has to ask the super smart questions ��
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I still don't get this claim at all. The Flames didn't "shift the tide back" any differently than in past years. They won in 3v3 OT after a tight checking, scoreless 3rd. A bounce one way or the other changes the whole storyline.

Maybe in another timeline the goalie doesn't make a save on an unlucky bounce and we lose 4-3 in the 3rd. Or Geoff Ward pulls the goalie for choking a 3 goal lead and the backup goalie who hadn't played in months is suddenly being asked to warm up.

A few big bodies didn't make that perceived difference. Zadorov wasn't in the lineup. They had big bodies like Bennett, Lucic, and Jankowski in past years too. And usually the backbreaking mistakes would be made by a guy like Juuso Valimaki or Dougie Hamilton or Lucic, not a core player or a small player who gets pushed around.



Sutter's style of play is appropriate for tight checking games, but it's not going to be because of Trevor Lewis or Tyler Pitlick or even everyone's new favourite Gudbranson. Those guys are responsible ways to plug the lineup but they're still just that - plugs. Not one of them has even established themselves as Garnet Hathaway tier since arriving here.
Since arriving here lol Pitlick has played 2 games...Flames were the better team in the third and OT

Sorry the Flames disappointed you and won. They have played 4 games and been the better team and all 4. You were wrong the Flames won't be terrible this season. Sorry
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