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Old 10-22-2021, 02:11 PM   #201
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And just one example of Kipper letting in a stinker. That's far worse than any of the goals Markstrom has let in so far this season.

When Kiprusoff let in stinkers, it was a sign he was tired and overworked.

The man played 70+ games for seven straight years (74, 74, 76, 76, 73, 71, 70)

He won 30+ games seven straight years.

He won 40+ games three times.

In five of eight seasons, his save % was over .917, and in four of those it was .920 or better.

Between 2004 and 2012, his GAA was sub-2.50 five times, and sub-2.40 three times.

How they never managed to find this man his Jake Allen is nearly as egregious an error as whiffing on the Thornton acquisition.

It was a treat to watch him every night.
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In this day and age, you need to find a way to score 3 per game to be successful.

Flames needed to convert more on the Ducks and during their sustained zone time vs Edmonton. They gave Markstrom very little wiggle room and added some glorious setups by zadorov just to put him through a loop.

Producing at the rate we did during 18-19 is what got us 1st in the West. Need to get back to there, or at least close to it.

Not necessarily an outscore your problems approach like in Edmonton, but bear down on your chances and make one more count per night. They are generating a lot of opportunities with their play.

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Old 10-22-2021, 04:28 PM   #203
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Bottom line on Markstrom so far this year:

7 goals against in 3 games plus an OT. 2.30 GAA, .924 save percentage

If someone said he would have those numbers, giving up a total of 7 goals, most people would take it.

The problem is that the Flames have only scored 2 goals per game (plus an empty netter). It's a 3-2 league. Markstrom has done his part - the team has to start scoring 3 and they'll be in great shape.
I think the full story of a goalie is not the raw numbers but how they perform in game-critical situations.

Some games are just destined to be shut-outs, often against weaker or tired teams. In other games, you need the goalie to be the difference maker and with the sample size of 3 at the moment, I can't say whether or not he will be an effective difference maker in those closer or must-win games this season. Right now his raw numbers are boosted by the shutout against Detroit.

We will just have to hope that the defense gets better and his numbers improve in those games where he needs to stand out.
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Old 10-22-2021, 05:31 PM   #204
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I think the full story of a goalie is not the raw numbers but how they perform in game-critical situations.

Some games are just destined to be shut-outs, often against weaker or tired teams. In other games, you need the goalie to be the difference maker and with the sample size of 3 at the moment, I can't say whether or not he will be an effective difference maker in those closer or must-win games this season. Right now his raw numbers are boosted by the shutout against Detroit.

We will just have to hope that the defense gets better and his numbers improve in those games where he needs to stand out.
Yeah, but it wasn't one of those, 'one team didn't show up' kind of shutouts. Markstrom was full marks for the win, never mind the shutout. He won the Flames the game in the first 5 minutes, turning away several Detroit chances.

If the Flames score one more against ANA (and they most definitely should have), his GAA is under 2 and the Flames are 2-1-0
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The classic if you took out his good games the numbers wouldn't look as good defense

Markstom got a shutout because he earned a shutout

High danger chances were 5-5, other guy let in two
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Old 10-22-2021, 06:38 PM   #206
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^ Lol, it’s certainly no match for the ‘if you take out his bad games, he’s a really good goalie’ defense


We agree, full marks for the shutout
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except nobody is taking out his bad games
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Old 10-22-2021, 07:33 PM   #208
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except nobody is taking out his bad games
Uh huh. If you cared to look, you would certainly find on this site the case made that excluding a long stretch in the middle of last season, he had good stats.
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Old 10-22-2021, 07:38 PM   #209
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well, that's not the current conversation, but whatever
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well, that's not the current conversation, but whatever

Hey man. What I said was related enough to what the guy before me said
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I enjoy Kevin Woodley for goalie talk. He has had longer interviews and discussion on Markstrom that are worth listening if you feeling like browsing the FAN960

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/the-nin...s-carter-hart/
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I enjoy Kevin Woodley for goalie talk. He has had longer interviews and discussion on Markstrom that are worth listening if you feeling like browsing the FAN960

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/the-nin...s-carter-hart/

I generally appreciate him but you can tell when he has watched a goalie and when he hasn’t. In this case, sounded he was going by numbers, there is certainly no indication he has seen Vladar play, and even his commentary around Markstrom and the Flames were focused on data such as type of chances faced. The Markstrom commentary sounded based on historic familiarity with Markstrom and fresh data from this year

Good news, agreeing with the eye test, the Flames are not making their goalies face a lot of what some call Royal Road crossing opps
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Uh huh. If you cared to look, you would certainly find on this site the case made that excluding a long stretch in the middle of last season, he had good stats.
That "long stretch in the middle" being injury related. It's fair to criticize random bad games being taken out, but where there's a rationale for doing so it's different.
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Yeah there's definitely a difference between omitting a single game shut out and summarizing before and after an injury.
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Interesting take from Lehner on the goalie position of the Swedish team. I don't really agree with it and hope that Markstrom gets to be the #1 for Sweden.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453751935929028614
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Old 10-28-2021, 12:41 PM   #217
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Yeah, but it wasn't one of those, 'one team didn't show up' kind of shutouts. Markstrom was full marks for the win, never mind the shutout. He won the Flames the game in the first 5 minutes, turning away several Detroit chances.

If the Flames score one more against ANA (and they most definitely should have), his GAA is under 2 and the Flames are 2-1-0
Technically speaking, his current GAA is 1.99 according to official NHL stats.

(I have no idea how they come up with that number.)
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Technically speaking, his current GAA is 1.99 according to official NHL stats.

(I have no idea how they come up with that number.)
8 goals against in 4 starts, but it’s based on minutes/played a over an average 60 min/game. His GAA is under 2.00 because of overtime minutes played
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Technically speaking, his current GAA is 1.99 according to official NHL stats.

(I have no idea how they come up with that number.)
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Technically speaking, his current GAA is 1.99 according to official NHL stats.

(I have no idea how they come up with that number.)
They calculate GAA as goals against per 60 minutes played. Because of OT, Markstrom has played the equivalent of 4.03 full games. 8 ÷ 4.03 = 1.99.

EDIT: Answered twice while I was typing, but I did the math and showed my work. Do I win a cookie?
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