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Old 10-22-2021, 09:11 AM   #181
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Those are exactly the same shots I’m talking about I’ll wager. And Kipper, Roy, Brodeur, Hasek et al let them in too.

He’s been practically dead last in the list of issues in the 2 losses IMO.
That’s not true. Those are other guys shut teams down when it’s close. Sure you can find some bad goals but when the games were on the line good luck.

I am not sure why you are so sensitive, it’s something Markstrom needs to do.
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Old 10-22-2021, 09:13 AM   #182
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That’s not true. Those are other guys shut teams down when it’s close. Sure you can find some bad goals but when the games were on the line good luck.

I am not sure why you are so sensitive, it’s something Markstrom needs to do.
It’s so weird to make absolutes about players like that. So unnecessary and not at all accurate. I could, from memory, pull up multiple hilarious gaffs by all of those guys in big games. Brodeurs stick drop, Roy’s hot dog glove throw… goalies let in goals they should have stopped all the time. All of them.
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LOL. I’m pretty sure every elite goalie has lost a close game, including by, in your words, not “shutting teams down”.

Tell me if Kipper was elite.
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Old 10-22-2021, 09:35 AM   #184
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It’s so weird to make absolutes about players like that. So unnecessary and not at all accurate. I could, from memory, pull up multiple hilarious gaffs by all of those guys in big games. Brodeurs stick drop, Roy’s hot dog glove throw… goalies let in goals they should have stopped all the time. All of them.
And just one example of Kipper letting in a stinker. That's far worse than any of the goals Markstrom has let in so far this season.

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Old 10-22-2021, 09:39 AM   #185
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What's interesting is it's all on the PK.

The Flames (all minutes with Markstrom to date) have the 2nd best five on five save percentage. He's been solid.

But shorthanded the Flames have given up very little (8 shots/ no high danger) but teams have scored three goals.

Last year his biggest issue was being down a man as well.

He's been solid, the numbers support it, but hopefully they iron out the PK issue (positioning, too deep in his net, whatever)
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I think in the first two games the biggest complaint you could have was he didn't make that "Big" save.

Neither the Puljujarvi or Rakell goals were soft, but they were savable, and in the third period of a close game you hope your goalie comes up with one of those.

He kind of redeemed that last night though with some of the big saves in the 2nd to keep the lead 2-0.
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Old 10-22-2021, 10:42 AM   #187
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I think in the first two games the biggest complaint you could have was he didn't make that "Big" save.

Neither the Puljujarvi or Rakell goals were soft, but they were savable, and in the third period of a close game you hope your goalie comes up with one of those.

He kind of redeemed that last night though with some of the big saves in the 2nd to keep the lead 2-0.
Thing is he made lots of big saves in those same games that, if the Flames score more, would be considered game savers.
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Thing is he made lots of big saves in those same games that, if the Flames score more, would be considered game savers.
Maybe the Oilers game.

But I don't think he had a lot of work in that Ducks game, and nothing that stood out as a "huge" save.

In the Ducks game the only real big save was actually after the Ducks already tied it and then Zadorov threw his spin-o-rama backhand up the middle. That was big to get them a point.

Overall though he hasn't been the issue at all this season and his .924 save percentage speaks to that.

Bingo made a good point on the PK though, will have to look back at the SH goals against this year to see what's going on there.
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Old 10-22-2021, 10:52 AM   #189
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Markstrom has been decent. Team defence has been an issue with this team... when the team makes a mistake it usually causes a very high-scoring opportunity.

On the whole, Markstrom has definitely been playing deeper in his net compared to when he was in Vancouver. This has been causing most of his problems, IMO.
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Old 10-22-2021, 10:53 AM   #190
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Maybe the Oilers game.

But I don't think he had a lot of work in that Ducks game, and nothing that stood out as a "huge" save.

In the Ducks game the only real big save was actually after the Ducks already tied it and then Zadorov threw his spin-o-rama backhand up the middle. That was big to get them a point.

Overall though he hasn't been the issue at all this season and his .924 save percentage speaks to that.

Bingo made a good point on the PK though, will have to look back at the SH goals against this year to see what's going on there.
I can recall saves I thought at the tine were really good. I just think memory of most people is selective mainly because we remember goals and not saves unless they were freakish. IMO saves at 0-0 are at least as important as most other saves as well.
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Old 10-22-2021, 11:07 AM   #191
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Maybe the Oilers game.

But I don't think he had a lot of work in that Ducks game, and nothing that stood out as a "huge" save.

In the Ducks game the only real big save was actually after the Ducks already tied it and then Zadorov threw his spin-o-rama backhand up the middle. That was big to get them a point.

Overall though he hasn't been the issue at all this season and his .924 save percentage speaks to that.

Bingo made a good point on the PK though, will have to look back at the SH goals against this year to see what's going on there.
Edmonton game 2 powerlay goals against.

1. McDavid off of the PJ fanned shot
2. McDavid on a one timer
3. Fowler 1st period

First two he had zero chance on.

Probably should have had the Fowler goal.
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McDavid one timer went off Hanifin too...HNIC tried their best to hide it only showing the celly every time
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Agreed. I thought he played well that game vs Edmonton on the whole. Quite a few good saves

The Fowler goal his positioning was fine but it went between blocker and pad. I’m sure he would want it back

Nothing to complain about last night!
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Old 10-22-2021, 11:38 AM   #194
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What's interesting is it's all on the PK.

The Flames (all minutes with Markstrom to date) have the 2nd best five on five save percentage. He's been solid.

But shorthanded the Flames have given up very little (8 shots/ no high danger) but teams have scored three goals.

Last year his biggest issue was being down a man as well.

He's been solid, the numbers support it, but hopefully they iron out the PK issue (positioning, too deep in his net, whatever)
Yeah, was coming to talk about this. Bourne (I think) mentioned it last night. I had never thought about it before, but it appears that there might be something to it.

What is different about tending on the PK? Lots of cross seem setups. Is Markstrom weak at getting across the crease? Or is it something else?
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I can recall saves I thought at the tine were really good. I just think memory of most people is selective mainly because we remember goals and not saves unless they were freakish. IMO saves at 0-0 are at least as important as most other saves as well.
The egregious giveaway by Zadorov for instance. Teed up someone in the slot and Markstom made a great save.

In a 2-2 game, there isn't much wiggle room, and he made several good saves.
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Some games he has it, like last night.

I've seen solid periods, and 40 minutes. Good to see him bring home a full game elite level effort.

I think he's still working himself back to his pre-injury level. Just the starts to work through it.
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Old 10-22-2021, 11:45 AM   #197
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Bottom line on Markstrom so far this year:

7 goals against in 3 games plus an OT. 2.30 GAA, .924 save percentage

If someone said he would have those numbers, giving up a total of 7 goals, most people would take it.

The problem is that the Flames have only scored 2 goals per game (plus an empty netter). It's a 3-2 league. Markstrom has done his part - the team has to start scoring 3 and they'll be in great shape.
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Yeah, was coming to talk about this. Bourne (I think) mentioned it last night. I had never thought about it before, but it appears that there might be something to it.

What is different about tending on the PK? Lots of cross seem setups. Is Markstrom weak at getting across the crease? Or is it something else?
Usually it comes down to communication. He is far from weak at going post to post, (though he overshoots it at times which is just as dangerous) but at times he is scrambly before required. I think he will be fine with more time behind this defense and working with them.

There is a whole lot of new with this years PK and that often takes time to gel. Knowing which guys are going to turn up ice or which are going to peel back etc.

Ive actually quite liked the PK thus far though the results aren't so great. Much more aggressive thus far, with bigger bodies and longer sticks. There is just less room out there than there was on those things alone. It looks like its been strictly Markstroms inability to stop the puck, but in reality it was a bad effort from the whole unit on a couple of them. I know there are 2 goals for sure thus far, he would want back, but beyond that its been relatively solid.
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apparently his numbers weren't great on the PK last year either. At least according to Bourne
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How were his PK #'s with Nucks? Hope it's not a Labarbara thing...
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