2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yep and players around the league are noticing...Adams might squeeze another draft pick out of the deal at the cost of future free agents, draftee signings...a certain top pick in College?

Yeah, I hope so. They deserve to be skewered here. It'd be different if Eichel was healthy and choosing to sit out, then it would be on him.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

That's where I disagree...he doesn't "check out" The other team knows 90% of the entire offence runs through him

If the Jets can totally shut down McDavid because he is the only threat we shouldn't expect Gaudreau to carry an entire team on his back.

If Gaudreau was on the team where the other team had to worry about other players too that would help him...also, in my joke scenario Monahan and Gaudreau were on another teams 2nd line winning the cup. Presumably with a lot more help in the lineup. Like a Crosby/Malkin.

I just don't see Johnny the same way as you.
His talent is amazing.
But to me he does not have that chip on his shoulder and drive that other smaller players have.
Marcand, Kucherov, Point and Martin St. Louis to name a few.
These guys are mugged come playoff time and don't shake their hand after every little slash.
Never show the opposition your weakness

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cobra

I just don't see Johnny the same way as you.
His talent is amazing.
But to me he does not have that chip on his shoulder and drive that other smaller players have.
Marcand, Kucherov, Point and Martin St. Louis to name a few.
These guys are mugged come playoff time and don't shake their hand after every little slash.
Never show the opposition your weakness

Those guys all have 30 pounds on him and play with multiple other stars...I mean two of them are on the same team

I think you are proving my point

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He was one of the pieces they think will be part of the deal if it goes down for the Ducks but they need to include Drysdale or Zegras which is a no go right now. I just don’t get why the Ducks would want Eichel with where they are at in the rebuild and they would have to give up prime picks and prospects they need just as badly as Buffalo.


I know I am biased but there isn’t a team that makes more sense for Eichel than the Flames in my opinion. A team that wants to win now and is all in, a team that is lacking high end talent, and a team that has been looking for a shakeup.

There were rumours that Gibson was pissed about the situation there no? I feel like it would be stupid to not strike while you have a guy like that locked up for a few more years. Add an elite centre to your elite goalie, and suck up the loss of one of those top prospects.

[Strange Brew]

I don't believe Gaudreau checks out or lacks any drive or effort. Nor am I worried about his fitness or diet. You do have to be realistic about how good he is. Martin St. Louis won the Hart once, the Art Ross twice, 1st team all star once and 2nd team all star 4 times.

I would be surprised if Gaudreau receives any of those accolades in his career. A career season could maybe get him on the 2nd All Star team. That isn't a criticism.

This team has been built as if he is a Hart trophy quality player. They are still built that way.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Those guys all have 30 pounds on him and play with multiple other stars...I mean two of them are on the same team

I think you are proving my point

30 pounds....come on....look them up on hockey db...11 to 18 pounds bigger.
Time to hit the gym and be harder to play against then.

That is on the GM to get him some help.

I will agree if he has Iggy on his wing he would thrive.

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

What? Nothing about those trades added to draft capital or pipeline. They traded them with picks for big names.

Cheechoo stays in SJ until he was 28 and done, then they traded a 2nd with him for Dany Heatly…. Pipeline net negative.

They added a first round pick to Setoguchi. For Burns.

So because SJ didn't capitalize properly, it's not valid? They weren't 50 goal scorers without Thornton making them that. They could have cut bait on them and flipped for massive gains, kept that cycle up. A second and Setoguchi for Heatley, who if I remember correctly then put up 50 goals. Burns also seems like a pretty good payoff for that too.

Anyways, flipping middling players propped up by a star and selling high would be a positive that the Flames haven't had the luxury of doing.

Not to mention, there might be a bigger draw to Calgary with a superstar and potential Cup team if the roster is filled out right.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I know I am biased but there isn’t a team that makes more sense for Eichel than the Flames in my opinion. A team that wants to win now and is all in, a team that is lacking high end talent, and a team that has been looking for a shakeup.

And a small market Western Canadian team that may feel a bit like Siberia to an American. That has to be attractive to a jilted Buffalo management team vs sending the guy to California.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by bax

Well the Sabres didn’t get a good return, but Jeff Skinner is sure thanking Eichel for setting him up with 72 million dollars:

Skinner with Eichel:

82 games
40 goals
63 points

Skinner without Eichel:

115 games
22 goals
40 points

They still play for the same team. If Eichel was the answer for Skinner, they'd be playing together. Whatever happened to Skinner, it is a lot more than losing his centre.

Hall didn't blossom with Eichel. I don't really think he is shown that he has the Crosby-like ability to turn journeymen into productive NHL players. If he had, there would be better examples.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I know I am biased but there isn’t a team that makes more sense for Eichel than the Flames in my opinion. A team that wants to win now and is all in, a team that is lacking high end talent, and a team that has been looking for a shakeup.

Agreed. Also a team that has plenty of American stars, a couple of which are due for contract extensions in the near future.

What better way to help convince them to stay long term than to add a prime aged legit #1 American center who still has 5 years left on his contract.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

They still play for the same team. If Eichel was the answer for Skinner, they'd be playing together. Whatever happened to Skinner, it is a lot more than losing his centre.

Hall didn't blossom with Eichel. I don't really think he is shown that he has the Crosby-like ability to turn journeymen into productive NHL players. If he had, there would be better examples.

Hey - Skinner is on an 82 point pace this year

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cobra

30 pounds....come on....look them up on hockey db...11 to 18 pounds bigger.
Time to hit the gym and be harder to play against then.

That is on the GM to get him some help.

I will agree if he has Iggy on his wing he would thrive.

You are totally taking my original post out of context

I jokingly said he will leave here and win the cup on a 2nd line with Monahan. Point remains he would thrive more playing with other top talent. We are already seeing it With Lindholm/Tkachuk vs. Monahan/Ritchie

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

So because SJ didn't capitalize properly, it's not valid? They weren't 50 goal scorers without Thornton making them that. They could have cut bait on them and flipped for massive gains, kept that cycle up. A second and Setoguchi for Heatley, who if I remember correctly then put up 50 goals. Burns also seems like a pretty good payoff for that too.

Anyways, flipping middling players propped up by a star and selling high would be a positive that the Flames haven't had the luxury of doing.

Not to mention, there might be a bigger draw to Calgary with a superstar and potential Cup team if the roster is filled out right.

Well you said draft capital and I’m basically saying that isn’t what happened. They traded older downward trending players long after they popped, and picks, for one old downward trending asset and Burns (who was obviously a great trade). The example didn’t make sense to me.

Teams don’t trade assets that are working when they have elite players in cup win now mode.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And a small market Western Canadian team that may feel a bit like Siberia to an American. That has to be attractive to a jilted Buffalo management team vs sending the guy to California.

Exactly. Send him to a team that never has nationally broadcast games in the States during the regular season. Send him to a place where he won’t be able to escape having to talk about McDavid. Get him out of the States and their media and have him deal with the rabid market here where he is fully expected to be the final piece of the puzzle to being a legitimate contender.

Ultimately he wants out of there so badly that I think he would now be happy to come here and look at the bright side of getting the surgery he wants and come play for a team that has some of his buddies and is looking to compete. End of the day I am sure he would prefer Vegas or Southern California but they should send him here for spite

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hey - Skinner is on an 82 point pace this year

Maybe he needed to get away from Eichel!

[djsFlames]

It's a joke that he's still in surgery purgatory.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It's a joke that he's still in surgery purgatory.

This may be turning into a grievance issue since there are teams that are OK with the procedure. He might argue Buffalo’s refusal is unreasonable.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Agreed. Also a team that has plenty of American stars, a couple of which are due for contract extensions in the near future.

What better way to help convince them to stay long term than to add a prime aged legit #1 American center who still has 5 years left on his contract.

I could see Johnny agreeing to a bit of a hometown discount to stay here if Treliving can land Eichel. It shows Johnny they are serious about winning and they are adding the best centre he will get to play with. Johnny signing the Zibenijad deal could result in him holding a lot of the all time franchise records when he calls it a career

[FBI]

Can you imagine how pissed Eichel must be? Think how pissed WE are that nothing is happening and then put yourself in his shoes lol

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

They still play for the same team. If Eichel was the answer for Skinner, they'd be playing together. Whatever happened to Skinner, it is a lot more than losing his centre.

Actually that might have just been the solution for Skinner (and maybe keeps Eichel and Reinhart happier too). The coaches changed between the 18-19 season to the 19-20 season, and for whatever reason Kruger just hated Skinner.

He went from playing with Eichel the majority of the time and having a great season in 18-19.

In 18-19 he played 845 minutes with Eichel (and 364 away from him) at 5v5, and they were great together. (Eichel and Reinhart were his most common linemates - 45% of the time together)

Then Kruger became coach and pretty much hated Skinner from day 1.

In 19-20 he played 100 minutes with Eichel (with an xGF of 56.4% in that time). His most common linemates that season were some combination of Marcus Johansson, Vladimir Sobotka, Evan Rodrigues, and Connor Sheary.

In 20-21 he played 39 minutes with Eichel (with an xGF of 78% in that time) and his most common linemate was Curtis Lazar.

If you look at the whole three year time period:

Eichel+Skinner: 988 Minutes - 55.3% xGF - 59 GF - 49 GA
Eichel w/o Skinner: 1624 Minutes - 48.9% xGF - 68 GF - 76 GA
Skinner w/o Eichel: 1699 Minutes - 48.9% xGF - 60 GF - 72 GA

So both Eichel and Skinner were much better when they were together, but Kruger hated Skinner's defensive game, wouldn't play those two together, and stapled Skinner to the 4th line.

I don't know but I think going from playing with Eichel and Reinhart...to playing with Curtis Lazar and Evan Rodrigues is going to be a bit tough for a guy who is more of a finisher. And just ridiculous management from Buffalo. You give a guy $9M after he played 845 even strength minutes with Eichel and put up 40 goals, then the next year you hire a new coach that decides to staple him to the 4th line and plays him 139 minutes total with Eichel. Just destroyed an asset and now Reinhart already asked for a trade and been traded, Eichel is on his way out, and you're stuck paying Skinner $9M a year.