2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A fan doesn’t have to be consumed with hate to conclude Monahan is looking unlikely to regain his form of his early career.

In isolation that is true.
But when you look at the pattern of the poster's constant negative posts - that's part of what people are reacting to.
Coupled with a premature reaction to his performance after 2 games.
Again...he's coming off pretty significant off-season surgery, barely played in the pre-season (I can't recall if he got in 1 game or not), so 2 games is hardly enough data to base any judgements.

Does that mean we should assume he will rebound? No. And no one is saying that.
But he deserves more of a chance than 2 games before he is tossed to the garbage heap.

[1qqaaz]

I think Monahan is very likely to rebound at some point.
I just don't know if it's with the Flames.

[dino7c]

"Not an NHLer" Monahan will surely light it up if the Flames trade him

him and Gaudreau will probably win the cup on a second line somewhere next season

[Purpdust]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"Not an NHLer" Monahan will surely light it up if the Flames trade him

him and Gaudreau will probably win the cup on a second line somewhere next season

Maybe with Bennett

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Purpdust

Maybe with Bennett

probably, or Tkachuk with James Neal hoping in the the PP from time to time

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"Not an NHLer" Monahan will surely light it up if the Flames trade him

him and Gaudreau will probably win the cup on a second line somewhere next season

Johnny would do well to leave the playing with Monahan days in the past, where they belong. A takeaway for me in watching him with other linemates is, 'hey, what do you know, Johnny looks like a first liner again!' The possession and continued offensive zone time has looked great with Tkachuk and Lindholm, better than I can recall with him and Monahan as that's not a strength of Monny's.

Rightly or wrongly, at this point I'm far closer to writing off Monahan than I am leaning to him bouncing back to his prime production, or even close to that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Jeff Skinner scored 40 goals in 2018-19. Do you think Sabres fans who are skeptical he’s still a top-line player today are in the grips of negative bias?

Over the 2017-18 and 2018-19 seasons, Matt Duchesne scored 119 pts in 141 games (0.84 ppg). Since then, he’s scored 56 pts in 103 games (0.54 ppg). If I were in a hockey pool this season, I’d pencil him in for 0.60 ppg, not 0.85.

Over that same period, Ryan Johansen went from 0.74 ppg to 0.57. I wouldn’t bank on a big bounceback there either.

Richard Rackell had back-to-back 33 and 34 goal seasons in 2016-17 and 2017-18. Last season he had 9 in 52 games and the season before he had 15 in 65. He might bounce back to 30 goal form. But I wouldn’t bet on it.

Players decline. Even players Monahan’s age (none of the players cited above are over 30). A fan doesn’t have to be consumed with hate to conclude Monahan is looking unlikely to regain his form of his early career.

Players do decline or fail to recover from injuries. All of which have nothing to do with the two points I made.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"Not an NHLer" Monahan will surely light it up if the Flames trade him

him and Gaudreau will probably win the cup on a second line somewhere next season

LOL....teans that are close to winning the Cup must be chomping at the bit to add playoff warriors like this.
Some many games played and Series won.
Thanks for the chuckle.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cobra

LOL....teans that are close to winning the Cup must be chomping at the bit to add playoff warriors like this.
Some many games played and Series won.
Thanks for the chuckle.

Same amount of series wins as McDavid and Drai plus a play in victory

I obviously said it jokingly because Flames luck but Gaudreau especially could be great IMO on a team where he doesn't have to drive the entire offence.

I also think 21 points in 30 playoff games is better than is given credit for

People said the same thing about Kessell and then he had 45 playoff points in 2 seasons/2 cups leading the Pens in scoring

[nik-]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think Monahan is very likely to rebound at some point.
I just don't know if it's with the Flames.

Why is it very likely? It's probable that he continues to trend downwards because this is typically how careers that start racking up injuries go.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Same amount of series wins as McDavid and Drai plus a play in victory

I obviously said it jokingly because Flames luck but Gaudreau especially could be great IMO on a team where he doesn't to drive the entire offence.

I also think 21 points in 30 playoff games is better than is given credit for

People said the same thing about Kessell and then he had 45 playoff points in 2 seasons/2 cups leading the Pens in scoring

Monahan has very low value right now as GM's see how bad he is playing.
Decent player when healthy but i fear he has hit his apex and yearly surgeries take their toll.
We need Johnny to get to the Playoffs (powerplay and regular season OT and shootouts) but a few slashes to his gloves in the playoffs and he checks out.

Unfortunately we don't have Crosby or Malkin.

[saillias]

More Marek and Friedman Eichel talk. No rumored asks or potential trades but more discussing where things are from the Buffalo perspective.

Adams continues to try to maintain a public image that they are relaxed, in control and willing to wait for someone to meet their price. Behind the scenes there is immense pressure being put on them, and M&F speculate it includes the agent, NHLPA and NHL sources putting that pressure on them. Adams mentioned on an interview recently that flash points like trade deadlines, end of training camps, draft days are the best opportunities.

Friedman keeps on bringing up the Ristolainen deal. Supposedly getting their price for Ristolainen emboldened them to be really stubborn about Eichel.

More talk about Eichel gathering as much info as he can from various doctors potentially gearing up for legal action, didn't catch the full extent of that last part, then they moved on to Bergevin and Habs stuff (boring)

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah...NHLPA probably putting lots of pressure here.

It's at the point where the trade is holding up a surgery that is probably impacting his quality of life, as well as his ability to play hockey.

If I'm Gary Bettman I'm putting a lot of pressure on Buffalo to sit down and hash out the best deal available right now. Just because you have an asking price in your head doesn't mean you can hold a players career, and more importantly his health, hostage.

[Vinny01]

They did great on Risto and followed that up with a mediocre return for Reinhart. Eichel is injured get ready for a conditional or mediocre return

[Roof-Daddy]

They should be getting immense pressure put on them.

They are ####ing idiots.

If you are selling something and NO ONE is willing to meet your "price", then that isn't the ####ing price morons.

This isn't a used car that you can throw a tarp over and park it behind your shed and wait. It's a human being and he needs to get neck surgery done and then get on with his ####ing career.

The Sabres are the biggest joke of an organization I've ever seen.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Monahan has very low value right now as GM's see how bad he is playing.
Decent player when healthy but i fear he has hit his apex and yearly surgeries take their toll.
We need Johnny to get to the Playoffs (powerplay and regular season OT and shootouts) but a few slashes to his gloves in the playoffs and he checks out.

Unfortunately we don't have Crosby or Malkin.

That's where I disagree...he doesn't "check out" The other team knows 90% of the entire offence runs through him

If the Jets can totally shut down McDavid because he is the only threat we shouldn't expect Gaudreau to carry an entire team on his back.

If Gaudreau was on the team where the other team had to worry about other players too that would help him...also, in my joke scenario Monahan and Gaudreau were on another teams 2nd line winning the cup. Presumably with a lot more help in the lineup. Like a Crosby/Malkin.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

They should be getting immense pressure put on them.

They are ####ing idiots.

If you are selling something and NO ONE is willing to meet your "price", then that isn't the ####ing price morons.

This isn't a used car that you can throw a tarp over and park it behind your shed and wait. It's a human being and he needs to get neck surgery done and then get on with his ####ing career.

The Sabres are the biggest joke of an organization I've ever seen.

Yep and players around the league are noticing...Adams might squeeze another draft pick out of the deal at the cost of future free agents, draftee signings...a certain top pick in College?

[kyuss275]

If adams could have his way he would wait until trade deadline to get rid of Eichel. He screwed up not trading him in summer though. I’m not sure nhlpa putting pressure on adams means much. I say earliest that Eichel gets traded is start of January . Teams are going to need 2021 Eichel remaining cap hit to get lower to fit him in.

[mile]

Comtois a healthy scratch tonight for the Ducks. According to NRD it sounds like he’s fallen out of favour with Ducks management pretty quickly, even though he put up 33 points in 55 games last season.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by mile

Comtois a healthy scratch tonight for the Ducks. According to NRD it sounds like he’s fallen out of favour with Ducks management pretty quickly, even though he put up 33 points in 55 games last season.

He was one of the pieces they think will be part of the deal if it goes down for the Ducks but they need to include Drysdale or Zegras which is a no go right now. I just don’t get why the Ducks would want Eichel with where they are at in the rebuild and they would have to give up prime picks and prospects they need just as badly as Buffalo.


I know I am biased but there isn’t a team that makes more sense for Eichel than the Flames in my opinion. A team that wants to win now and is all in, a team that is lacking high end talent, and a team that has been looking for a shakeup.