[PGT] Painful loss to the Ducks

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Monahan needs to be traded, even if it's not at his peak value. He's done in Calgary.

He's Cheechoo'd himself. He's not just done in Calgary.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by agulati

Isn’t Pitlick heralded as a top 9 option?

He's a checker with limited offensive upside. I'm sure he's fine in the same way Garnet Hathaway, Tobias Reider, or Paul Byron were fine for us in the past, albeit probably with less speed. But he should probably be your 4th best RW, not your second best RW.

Likewise, Lewis looked fine yesterday, and that line's great shift led to the Lindholm goal. But Lewis should be your 4th best RW.

And Ritchie is a possession blackhole when played up the lineup. He should be your fourth best RW.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Why is Ritchie anywhere the top 9? I don’t like those lines.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He's a checker with limited offensive upside. I'm sure he's fine in the same way Garnet Hathaway, Tobias Reider, or Paul Byron were fine for us in the past, albeit probably with less speed. But he should probably be your 4th best RW, not your second best RW.

Likewise, Lewis looked fine yesterday, and that line's great shift led to the Lindholm goal. But Lewis should be your 4th best RW.

And Ritchie is a possession blackhole when played up the lineup. He should be your fourth best RW.

He is skating with the 3rd line (Pitlick) though so what is the problem? Better than Lucic I look forward to him being there

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He is skating with the 3rd line (Pitlick) though so what is the problem? Better than Lucic I look forward to him being there

is Coleman-Backlund the 3rd line, or is that just what you're numbering it? Are those two making 10M per to give us 3rd line performance? Or are we expecting more out of those two, to where you'd expect them to have a RWer who can pot 15-20 goals?

Is Dillon Dube somehow our 2nd line center above Backlund? Or is it a case of Mangiapane being expected to "make things work" by himself.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

is Coleman-Backlund the 3rd line, or is that just what you're numbering it? Are those two making 10M per to give us 3rd line performance?

Is Dillon Dube somehow our 2nd line center above Backlund? Or is it a case of Mangiapane being expected to "make things work" by himself.

It was the 3rd line/checking line last game...they swapped Lucic for Pitlick

Backlund has been the 3rd line center for years are you new?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It was the 3rd line/checking line last game

Backlund has been the 3rd line center for years are you new?

Backlund hasn't been our 3rd line center for years. He was 2nd on this team in center scoring last year.

He was 2nd on this team in center scoring two years ago too, outside of Ward's diaasterous Backlund at RW stint that required him to go into Ward's office.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Backlund hasn't been our 3rd line center for years. He was 2nd on this team in center scoring last year. He was 2nd on this team in center scoring two years ago too.

Backlund takes the tough matchups in a checking role...chips in offensively. He had 4 more points than Monahan who was injured the entire season and missed some games.

Flames plan to roll 3 lines...I don't care how much they make if the shut down the other team and chip in.

Yes, Mangi and Dube are getting a chance to step up in a more offensive role


Seems obvious to me

[PepsiFree]

Definitely would like to see Mangiapane-Dube-Coleman as a line. Feels like it could be great.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1450511041176092678

Hoping that’s our Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman line

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Backlund takes the tough matchups in a checking role...chips in offensively

Flames plan to roll 3 lines

A tough matchups line is not synonymous with a third line.

Again, Backlund's line is espected to produce. Arguably moreso than a line with Brett Ritchie and Dillon Dube on it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

A tough matchups line is not synonymous with a third line.

Again, Backlund's line is espected to produce. Arguably moreso than a line with Brett Ritchie and Dillon Dube on it.

Looking at the Flames lineup I think most would consider that the 3rd line, I think you are just arguing to argue

Backlund is the teams 3rd line center right now...he has been the first two games. Its not a bad thing


Unless you think Lucic has been playing on the 2nd line

[Toonage]

If these lines hold, I'm not sure we'll be able to label them until we see the minutes played after the game.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Looking at the Flames lineup I think most would consider that the 3rd line, I think you are just arguing to argue

Funny, I think the same about yourself. The team doesn't have a defined 2nd line or 3rd line. It has Mangiapane and then Backlund and Coleman, and then Dube, and then Monahan and Lucic. These six players make up our middle six. They're going to be sorted out based on role. Backlund's line is not expected to produce fewer goals than Dube's line, and yet they're expected to do more heavy lifting. Lucic is more capable of difficult minutes than Monahan and Dube, so the other two were put with Mangiapane, our best goalscorer to play softer minutes. It didn't work, so Sutter mixed it up. Monahan isn't suddenly our 4th line center either.

[dino7c]

Darryl himself has said he wants Backlund to be the 3rd line center so IDK

call it whatever you want I guess. He has played 2 games with Lucic, certainly not a 2nd liner.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Darryl himself had said he wants Backlund to be the 3rd line center so IDK

call it whatever you want I guess

He did? I missed that I guess.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

He did? I missed that I guess.

He said ideally Backlund is your 3rd line center on the fan...he has said it in the past too even when he was a TV analyst.

If Monahan can't get up to speed that might be an issue but I think Dube gets a shot with Mangi and to me that is the 2nd line. Backlunds line is the shut down line and I consider that a 3rd line due to the role.

Pitlick is an upgrade over Lucic there though

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He said ideally Backlund is your 3rd line center on the fan..

So?

"Ideally" Lindholm is your second line center. Is Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk our second line?

"Ideally" requires having the pieces - AKA Jack Eichel - for everyone to be slotted ideally.

I love that Dube is being given a chance to center Mangiapane. Maybe they could even become a solid scoring line. But they'd have to profoundly outscore Backlund's line to be a de-facto second line, because Backlund's line will likely match them in production while facing tougher matchups.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

So?

"Ideally" Lindholm is your second line center. Is Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk our second line?

"Ideally" requires having the pieces - AKA Jack Eichel - for everyone to be slotted ideally.

I love that Dube is being given a chance to center Mangiapane. Maybe they could even become a solid scoring line. But they'd have to profoundly outscore Backlund's line to be a de-facto second line, because Backlund's line will likely match them in production while facing tougher matchups.

Backlund has been the 3rd line center the first two games...he has, he played with Lucic. Sutter started the season with Backlund as the 3rd line center. Top 2 lines have done all the scoring so far. Coleman scored from Gaudreau, Lindholm X2 and Mangi

Maybe that changes IDK

Rule of thumb...if you are playing with Lucic you are in the bottom six

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Backlund has been the 3rd line center the first two games...he has, he played with Lucic. Sutter started the season with Backlund as the 3rd line center.

You saying it over and over does not make it fact.

Top 2 lines have done all the scoring so far. Coleman scored from Gaudreau, Lindholm X2 and Mangi

Maybe that changes IDK

You are defining Mangiapane-Monahan-Dube as a "top two line" all by yourself. They've gotten soft usage (often played with our 3rd pair, which is how Mangiapane scored his goal). Monahan has not played like a top six forward in about a year. Dube is consistently in Sutter's doghouse. Coleman is the Flames big offseason signing, do you really think Darryl is thinking "nice. we really needed a 3rd liner"?

Being a shutdown line does not make a line a 3rd line. They are not a pure checking line.

Rule of thumb...if you are playing with Lucic you are in the bottom six

Lucic is one of our better analytic players, including 5v5 point production last year, and yet is trusted offensively by the coach to play on our second powerplay unit. Sounds like an arbitrary rule of thumb.