2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[FanIn80]

Monahan, Hanifin and Dube? People are ok with that?

We finally have decent forward depth, with an actual first and second line - and a third line that's really a "2-B" second line. The way I look at it, is Gaudreau Eichel Tkachuk better than Gaudreau Lindholm Tkachuk? Of course it is, at least on paper, I mean we don't really know if they work on the ice or not, but that's a separate point...

I guess the main point is in addition to giving up some pretty pricey futures in Coranato and picks, we'd be also giving up three significant roster pieces. That means we're adding two holes to our lineup to upgrade one position.

Like, very few trades exist in a vacuum -- and this one could potentially do more harm than good. You have to look at the whole lineup.

Gaudreau Eichel Tkachuk
Mangiapane Lindholm Coleman
Pitlick Backlund Lewis
Lucic Gawdin Ritchie

Zadorov Tanev
Valimaki Andersson
Kylington Gudbranson

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Gaudreau Lindholm Tkachuk
Mangiapane Monahan Coleman
Dube Backlund Lewis
Lucic Gawdin Pitlick

Hanifin Andersson
Zadorov Tanev
Valimaki Gudbranson

I was going to ask if the first lineup is better enough than the second lineup to justify the move, but after typing out both lineups, I'm not even sure the first lineup is better than the second one at all.

So, I dunno. I mean, how much of this is people just wanting to get Eichel without even caring what the outcome is?

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Monahan, Hanifin and Dube? People are ok with that?

We finally have decent forward depth, with an actual first and second line - and a third line that's really a "2-B" second line. The way I look at it, is Gaudreau Eichel Tkachuk better than Gaudreau Lindholm Tkachuk? Of course it is, at least on paper, I mean we don't really know if they work on the ice or not, but that's a separate point...

I guess the main point is in addition to giving up some pretty pricey futures in Coranato and picks, we'd be also giving up three significant roster pieces. That means we're adding two holes to our lineup to upgrade one position.

Like, very few trades exist in a vacuum -- and this one could potentially do more harm than good. You have to look at the whole lineup.

Gaudreau Eichel Tkachuk
Mangiapane Lindholm Coleman
Pitlick Backlund Lewis
Lucic Gawdin Ritchie

Zadorov Tanev
Valimaki Andersson
Kylington Gudbranson

===========================

Gaudreau Lindholm Tkachuk
Mangiapane Monahan Coleman
Dube Backlund Lewis
Lucic Gawdin Pitlick

Hanifin Andersson
Zadorov Tanev
Valimaki Gudbranson

I was going to ask if the first lineup better enough than the second lineup to justify the move, but after typing out both lineups, I'm not even sure the first lineup is better than the second one at all.

So, I dunno. I mean, how much of this is people just wanting to get Eichel without even caring what the outcome is?

That would be tough. I think Dube is about to pop. They'd have to give us a couple of serviceable vets. That defense is trash.

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[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

So, I dunno. I mean, how much of this is people just wanting to get Eichel without even caring what the outcome is?

Quite a lot of it, I suspect.

Some posters seem to want Eichel at any price because they think he'll automatically make the team a contender.

Some posters have pretty much stated that they want Eichel because it will probably blow up in the Flames' face and ‘force a rebuild’. (Why anyone would start a rebuild by sending away three or four top young assets for a player who can't play, I confess, escapes me.)

And I think some are just excited about the idea of Eichel as a Flame and haven't thought through the cost of acquisition, the cap problem, or how to keep the team afloat until Eichel is healed and ready to play.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Yeah, I wouldn't let it stop me if I were BT

If this team is a hanifin injury away from annihilation, well then... we are probably already screwed

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If Hanifin got injured in Game One and was out until the end of February we would be screwed. That defence could not keep the Flames in the playoff hunt without Hanifin.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If Hanifin got injured in Game One and was out until the end of February we would be screwed. That defence could not keep the Flames in the playoff hunt without Hanifin.

I like hanifin. He's a solid player. But if we are a big hanifin injury away from the basement, we probably don't have the horses anyway

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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I like hanifin. He's a solid player. But if we are a big hanifin injury away from the basement, we probably don't have the horses anyway

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I would agree with that statement. I also think we are screwed if we lost Hanifin for an extended period of time.

[sureLoss]

Friedman says the biggest issue on Eichel is that Buffalo isn't willing to retain salary on Eichel. Says the Avs asked but the talks stopped when Buffalo refused.

Buffalo is willing to negotiate on taking back contracts though.

Vegas is unwilling to give up Krebs in their talks with Buffalo for Eichel per Marek. Nicolas Hague also involved in the talks.


John Klingberg is looking for $62 to $66 million over a 8 year deal with the Stars.

per Friedman Rangers have asked Kravtsov if he would be willing to play in the AHL and work his way up to the NHL roster.

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1449540788652810260

[AC]

So if Buffalo doesn't want to retain salary then the Flames would need to trade almost exactly $10M back to match Eichel's salary most likely.

Pretty difficult to make work unless a 3rd team gets involved or Buffalo relents on their refusal to retain.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by AC

So if Buffalo doesn't want to retain salary then the Flames would need to trade almost exactly $10M back to match Eichel's salary most likely.

Pretty difficult to make work unless a 3rd team gets involved or Buffalo relents on their refusal to retain.

Monahan and Lucic +++

Or Monahan and Zadorov ++

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Monahan and Lucic +++

Or Monahan and Zadorov ++

Yeah but what are the odds of both Monahan and Lucic waiving their Trade clauses to go to Buffalo?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Monahan and Lucic +++

Or Monahan and Zadorov ++

The Flames would likely have to shed Monahan and, realistically, Dube and Valimaki. Of course Lucic or Zadorov would be nicer to lose but that’s a tough sell.

[dissentowner]

If Eichel ended up in Colorado I might have just quit watching this season..

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Yeah but what are the odds of both Monahan and Lucic waiving their Trade clauses to go to Buffalo?

I am not overly concerned about that honestly. Most players seem willing to waive - when a team wants to trade you, things usually aren't going that well and a fresh start is often welcome.

But a fair point.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Flames would likely have to shed Monahan and, realistically, Dube and Valimaki. Of course Lucic or Zadorov would be nicer to lose but that’s a tough sell.

All depends on the additional prospects and picks

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

All depends on the additional prospects and picks

I suppose, but I’m also considering they go to other teams in other deals to balance salary. You don’t need to reduce salary until Eichel comes off LTIR anyway.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Yeah but what are the odds of both Monahan and Lucic waiving their Trade clauses to go to Buffalo?

I believe Monahan has a 10 team list to whom he can refuse trades

Whether Buffalo is on that list or not would be the key.

I’m not sure of the mechanics of it, though. If Monahan has to submit it on request, he would probably be smart enough to know at the time whether it had anything to do with Buffalo

[ComixZone]

My crazy theory: we heard rumours Pittsburgh was interested in Lucic this past summer. Perhaps that was related to Lucic being part of the return in an Eichel deal and Buffalo was flipping Looch to PIT. I don’t quite know how the Flames pull this off without Monahan and Looch being involved.

[mile]

Happy to hear that Vegas isn't willing to include Krebs.

So if Buffalo can't have any of Krebs, Zegras, McTavish, Drysdale...
Have to think a prospect like Zary would be in that next best tier.

As far as trading close to $10M in cap space goes, some contracts we could move:
Monahan + Valimaki + Gudbranson = $9.875M
Monahan + Zadorov = $10.125M

Monahan + Valimaki + Dube = $10.225M, but would hate moving two forwards in our top 9. Especially since Dube would likely take Backlund's spot as the 3C if Monahan left.
Monahan + Andersson = $10.925M, but no way the Flames move one of their top 3 D.

Don't see Lucic going anywhere. Probably need a 3rd team to take at least one of the contracts above to make it work.

[Stanley]

Im starting to think that a Flames roster with Eichel in it is worse than one without him.