2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GreenLantern2814]

Vegas also understands, maybe better than any other team outside Pittsburgh, that draft picks are for losers.

They’ve been a team for four years - they’ve made the 3rd round twice.

They don’t need children.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Wasn't the salary cap instated to control for "really attractive markets for talent" scooping up all the good players year after year?

No it was largely to link revenue to salaries broadly speaking.
Each team has boundaries for what they can pay for players, it's up to them how they spend that. It also doesn't solve for other reasons including market attractiveness.

But know I don't think as describe it was the problem being solved through the cap.

The cap allows for things to be more fair, but doesn't solve and can't solve for complete fairness.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Since1984

So Buffalo probably is looking at:

Sean Monahan
Jakob Pelletier
Juuso Valimaki
1st Rounder


Maybe?

Something like that. Keep in mind that no teams met the Sabres asking price. So if they’re the ones who cave rather than the suitors (which seems likely), we can expect the return to be lower.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Vegas also understands, maybe better than any other team outside Pittsburgh, that draft picks are for losers.

They’ve been a team for four years - they’ve made the 3rd round twice.

They don’t children.

They were also gifted guys like Theodore, Marchessault and Fleury. It's also a huge advantage that other players want to go there so bad. We don't have that obviously. They literally signed one of the best D in the game because Vegas is so desirable. That's not some skill, that's basically just a huge benefit we can't counter.

Pittsburgh has Malkin, Crosby, Guentzel and Letang. They pretty much have to keep going for it when you have that.

Draft picks are really important to teams that aren't gifted superstars and generational talents. Of course you should be willing to move them in the right deal but in the end, the draft is literally the lifeblood of mid to small market teams. Screw it up and you have no chance. Calgary's been average to bad for 90% of the last 30 years. You can thank the draft for that and the general attitude and undervaluing of picks (ownership probably a factor). The idea you should trade 2nds and 3rds for depth players is stupid quite honestly.



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[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1449117132378320902

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

The **** are they going to run out of chips to push in?

Seems like no matter when an elite player becomes available, the same handful of markets are involved and just come up with new, creative ways to cheat the system to ensure teams like the Flames are used simply as leverage. The mirage of parity is becoming ridiculous.

All the more reason Calgary has to be all in on this deal for this player - they’d never find one like him in UFA.

[talladega.25]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1449117132378320902

Knew it

[Saqe]

No #### the price is high, you're trading for a clear cut #1 center in this league.

[dino7c]

Pretty hard to say when we don't know the price

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Does no one look at cap when evaluating this? How does Vegas do it fit Eichel?

Yeah, VGK is already withdrawing over $5.1 m of LTIR relief. If they manage to add Eichel, they will need to find a way to shed over $15 m of cap space in order to get him activated. I suppose it is doable, but whoever heard of such a thing?

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1449117132378320902

Never understand these comments. Obviously the price is very high. But isn't it very high for everyone? Lol not like the Flames are a division rival.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Sure, I provided one sentence for a 6 minute segment. Context can be had by anyone who wants to listen to it.

Semi-verbatim of the key points, and anyone can judge for themselves:

"I would have liked young guys play with veteran guys"

"...with some teams you see a young guy with two stars to see how he does. With our team, we didn't even scrimmage to see [prospects] mixed in"

"Darryl wanted to start practicing as a team, we have a lot of turnover, [Darryl] want to work on things right from the beginning ... I understand why he wants to do it, but the management side, you always want to see the young guys get a chance with the big group"

"If we would put Ruzicka with Johnny and Tkachuk, or you always want to see him with NHL players so you can get a gauge."

Darryl was all business. He wanted to play a certain way, and certain guys and certain lines, so did we give prospects a ton of PP time or PK time? We didn't even see the young kids or even the AHL guys who were pushing. You would have like to see them in a few better positions"

"I understand, Darryl wanted to get ready for the regular season, and that was his main focus"

These quotes are quite eye-opening, wow.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

They were also gifted guys like Theodore, Marchessault and Fleury. It's also a huge advantage that other players want to go there so bad. We don't have that obviously. They literally signed one of the best D in the game because Vegas is so desirable. That's not some skill, that's basically just a huge benefit we can't counter.

Pittsburgh has Malkin, Crosby, Guentzel and Letang. They pretty much have to keep going for it when you have that.

Draft picks are really important to teams that aren't gifted superstars and generational talents. Of course you should be willing to move them in the right deal but in the end, the draft is literally the lifeblood of mid to small market teams. Screw it up and you have no chance. Calgary's been average to bad for 90% of the last 30 years. You can thank the draft for that and the general attitude and undervaluing of picks (ownership probably a factor). The idea you should trade 2nds and 3rds for depth players is stupid quite honestly.



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You trade draft picks when your window is open.

Edmonton, for example, has drafted their own 1st round pick every year since 2006 (huh, the one year they trade a 1st for someone who can help, they go to the finals and damn near win it all. Who knew)

Since drafting McDavid, they have selected Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Bouchard, Broberg, Holloway, and Bourgault.

That’s ####ing stupid. Not a single one of those selections should have been used on a prospect. And even if they were, those prospects should have been packaged up for NHL talent that could play with Connor McDavid.

They could have traded a 1st and 3rd to Buffalo for Sam Reinhart - Instead, they signed Zack Hyman for seven years. Just one example.

Christ, the Oilers have two players on their roster that were acquired via trade - Keith and Warren Foegele.

How is that possible? I get NTCs and NMCs exist, but come on. You can’t convince anyone to waive to come play with McDrai for a few years?

You can’t package a 1st and 2nd for a goalie who couldn’t drink on 9/11?

Look at Pittsburgh. Three of their 1st round picks post-Crosby became legitimate NHLers - Jordan Staal, Olli Maatta, and Kasperi Kapanen.

Everyone and everything else was traded for help, and nobody became so
much as an NHL regular. Remember Derek Pouliot?

Because they had Sid, Geno, Letang, and Fleury/Murray. Every other noteworthy draft pick they’ve had this era has been a later round guy who became something.

That’s how you operate when you have foundational players, or at least it should be.

Draft picks are for losers.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You trade draft picks when your window is open.

Edmonton, for example, has drafted their own 1st round pick every year since 2006 (huh, the one year they trade a 1st for someone who can help, they go to the finals and damn near win it all. Who knew)

Since drafting McDavid, they have selected Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Bouchard, Broberg, Holloway, and Bourgault.

That’s ####ing stupid. Not a single one of those selections should have been used on a prospect. And even if they were, those prospects should have been packaged up for NHL talent that could play with Connor McDavid.

They could have traded a 1st and 3rd to Buffalo for Sam Reinhart - Instead, they signed Zack Hyman for seven years. Just one example.

Christ, the Oilers have two players on their roster that were acquired via trade - Keith and Warren Foegele.

How is that possible? I get NTCs and NMCs exist, but come on. You can’t convince anyone to waive to come play with McDrai for a few years?

You can’t package a 1st and 2nd for a goalie who couldn’t drink on 9/11?

Look at Pittsburgh. Three of their 1st round picks post-Crosby became legitimate NHLers - Jordan Staal, Olli Maatta, and Kasperi Kapanen.

Everyone and everything else was traded for help, and nobody became so
much as an NHL regular. Remember Derek Pouliot?

Because they had Sid, Geno, Letang, and Fleury/Murray. Every other noteworthy draft pick they’ve had this era has been a later round guy who became something.

That’s how you operate when you have foundational players, or at least it should be.

Draft picks are for losers.

Or Griffin Reinhart

[Toonage]

We should all be very thankful the Oilers have been run as poorly as they are. I know I am.

[bdubbs]

And to become a Pittsburgh, you have to suck for many many years in a row, at the exact right time to land 3 of the top 100 players this century, AND draft them in consecutive years. So yes, draft picks are for losers, until you're not losers anymore and become winners.

Flames won't ever suck for a sustained period of time like that and thus we'll be stuck in this cycle of mediocrity forever.

Unless we get Eichel.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Or Griffin Reinhart

Don’t think for a second Griffin Reinhart isn’t the reason they didn’t make that deal.

Which is just so stupid.

[Brad Marsh]

Yes, difficult to fully judge without knowing the full asking price.

But we know it's a futures-based deal. We have some decent prospects in the system, but none are what I'd consider true blue chip prospects. So when comparing losing whatever prospects we have to acquiring Eichel, it doesn't resonate that the cost would be too steep.

Same with draft picks. Even if we are including a first round pick, or two first round picks. This team is right on track to be a bubble team each of the next 2 seasons. They clearly have no intention of rebuilding, so there is an extremely low probability that they will be drafting anywhere but mid to later third of the first round. So again, while giving up a first or two firsts may seem like a lot, the probability of drafting anyone remotely close in quality to Eichel is so small that the price is hardly too steep.

Flames would need to deal roster players in order to make the salary work, and maybe the Sabers are insisting on a Gaudreau and/or Tkachuk instead of a Monahan and/or some other non-first line piece?

Trading for Eichel would be a win now move. So if the trade required that you reduced your chances to win now (by dealing current top line talent) plus you've had to mortgage the future (by including top picks and top prospects) then that would be the only thing I can think of that would be too steep at this point.

Hard to imagine anything else really being too steep given the current state of our prospect base and the probably of our draft position.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Or Griffin Reinhart

Agree on Edmonton but they have a generational player and a top 5 player in the world. Seems obvious

However, this is also the team that traded two 2nds for Athanasiou haha. They would probably screw that up too

There is merit to the idea you need some draft picks so you can get cheap elc players too

Of course this is pretty dependent on having a couple decent scouts.

Either way, I think they're kinda screwed.



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[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

And to become a Pittsburgh, you have to suck for many many years in a row, at the exact right time to land 3 of the top 100 players this century, AND draft them in consecutive years. So yes, draft picks are for losers, until you're not losers anymore and become winners.

Flames won't ever suck for a sustained period of time like that and thus we'll be stuck in this cycle of mediocrity forever.

Unless we get Eichel.

Or if you’re Vegas, or Colorado, or Tampa, or Washington, or the Leafs, pick a contender.

Tampa hasn’t drafted in the 1st round 4/7 years. Doesn’t seem to hurt them.

####, Calgary during the Iggy years.

Probably should’ve tried turning the picks that became Chucko, Pelech, and Nemisz into real players.

Probably should’ve offered Dion to Boston when they wanted Regehr and we wanted to send them Leopold.

What might have been.