2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by talladega.25

yeah last time he said that, they were saying they didn't want to include Valimaki on a deal. How did that turn out?

Extremely well, actually.

It has been widely reported that Stone would sign an extension only in Vegas when the trade went down, and would have ended up being the most expensive player rental in NHL history had the Flames pulled the trigger to acquire him. Instead, the kept their 2019 first and 2020 second-round picks, and they still have Valimaki.


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[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dammage79

No, I'm not hearing what I want to hear because what I want to hear is they are not in on Eichel and have moved on.

Fair enough, but I don't see how people could hear that and the take away is that they're definitely in on Eichel.

I assume they are, but there was nothing in there that made me think they were close etc.

You described it as "no reading between the lines" and I would say you definitely were.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Conroy:

"Brad is always involved...not easy to make a deal with someone like that...we like our centre position...looking at the players we have we think we'll be fine."

My take was he isn't holding his breath lol. Not that Connie can.

If you took this interview as Conroy tipping the Flames hand, you're hearing what you want to hear I'm afraid.

But that part was after he caught himself, regrouped and read off the typical media script for Flames management.

The first part where it was more off the cuff definitely told you at the very least that Brad is still involved in discussions with Buffalo.

Discussing all the logistics, rather than just complimenting the player also tells you something. Taking on his contract has been/is being discussed.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. It's probably not imminent, but there is undoubtedly smoke there in regards to the Flames involvement.

[TheScorpion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1449082161815031808

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Extremely well, actually.

It has been widely reported that Stone would sign an extension only in Vegas when the trade went down, and would have ended up being the most expensive player rental in NHL history had the Flames pulled the trigger to acquire him. Instead, the kept their 2019 first and 2020 second-round picks, and they still have Valimaki.


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Ya I'm so sick of hearing about stone. Stone's amazing but was only going to be a rental. Trading valimaki+ at the time would've been one of the worst trades in the last 10 years across the whole league. You can fault BT for alot of stuff but he was smart there. Probably drove the price up for a division rival as well.

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[_Q_]

This Eichel debacle is starting to make me really hate the Sabres.

[talladega.25]

Honestly, I don't think anything will happen at 1:30 today. I mean ive been on pins and needles all day, but common.. Brad hasn't been to Hogwarts in a very long time, his magic is gone.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by _Q_

This Eichel debacle is starting to make me really hate the Sabres.

It fills me with disdain for their management and ownership and sympathy for the players that are contractually obligated to play there. Mind you they're pretty decently compensated.

Imagine if your boss was giving an employee the Eichel treatment and handcuffing him from seeking treatment to get back to health. Imagine how great you would feel to be there working for those people....

Circus. They deserve a No Good thread after they deal Eichel here.

[Vinny01]

Listening to that Conroy hit all I got out of it was that Brad has and is definitely trying but it is really hard due to the injury and cap.

[Harry Lime]

I expect that he will say something along the lines of : "Of the two new members of the Flames, Eichel will not be playing tomorrow night. Kravtsov will not be sent down to the AHL until he has been evaluated through a week of practice with the main club. Although we are sad to see Gudbranson, Lewis and Richardson go, it was necessary to make these trades happen. That is all."

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1449084476395593735

Not exactly news, but Vegas doesn’t play again until Wednesday and does have some time to evaluate everything they’ve seen so far from their forwards.

I remember in Marek’s interview with Lawless, Lawless made it sound like Vegas didn’t want to offer Krebs or Hague. Hence, why Vegas was “not close at all”.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I don't understand the reluctance in including zary and Pelletier. The odds are against them becoming top 6 much less elite top line. They are magic beans. Same with Valimaki. Odds are they will have short, pedestrian careers... not trying to be negative but like 200 guys get drafted every year into a league that employs around 700. It's pretty much just math. Eichel IS elite right now. What's the worst that happens? Pelletier and Zary turn into impact players? There's probably a 5-10% chance at that.

Monahan
Zary
Pelletier
Valimaki
Unconditional 2023 1st

That's fair imo

Monahan isn't nearly as good as Eichel and I'm a huge Monahan guy. Basically I'd rather have eichel-Lindholm-backlund as the top 3 Cs. Lindholm and Backlund are more well rounded players and slot better in 2C/3C than Monahan does

Valimaki hasn't really impressed me at all. I think the injuries really set him back and the flames were probably overrating him before that anyway. I see 4/5 as his ceiling, maybe 2nd line pp qb for a weaker team.

Zary and Pelletier are good prospects for sure but not blue chippers. Look at the history of flames in the 1st round last 20 years. Yeah, excuse me if I don't pencil them in for stardom. The odds are crazy stacked against them. If everything went perfectly right you are probably looking at konecny or Fiala level players. That's if all the stars align. More likely we are looking at a couple of 3rd liners and honestly given the percentages, wouldn't be the worst thing ever. Most flames 1sts end up being nothing at all

Eichel's eichel though. If you can add a true 1c for beans, you gotta try, and don't get caught up trying to squeeze 5% more value. I feel like Brad probably plays it too safe or maybe is too coy or maybe he just plain overrates his prospects because what we have are basically a couple 6's in a sea of 3's. Not sure what it is but it's time for treliving to seize the day. His job depends on it because as is, this team is just gonna get him fired. He's made 2 great trades in 7 years. He destroyed Carolina basically. Now thats hard to do, but he has proven he can do it. This is like Hamilton x5 though. Legacy defining ####. I'd be so excited if I was him


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I thought the long standing rumored ask was 4 1st round equivalents, why would the Flames offer up 5? Are other teams offering 5, or are the 4 they're offering blowing the doors off the Flames package? Doubt it.

Perhaps the Sabres could have gotten their ask prior to the draft, but now it looks as though Eichel is out until February, or longer. If anything, that would suggest their price should drop. Whoever the acquiring team ends up being is getting less service time to the point where this season is impacted significantly. It's completely reasonable to see a scenario where the Flames pull the trigger on the trade and miss the playoffs. It would be pretty hard to give up an unprotected 1st in this case. Also, I believe it has been recently discussed in the media that Buffalo has conceded that the deal is likely to have conditions placed upon it.

For me its:

Monahan
Valimaki/Zary/Peletier/Coronato
conditional 1st round pick. Flames miss the playoffs, or Eichel plays less than X number of games, the pick slides to 2023.

if additional picks, other than 1st round picks, are required, you negotiate.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1449084476395593735

Not exactly news, but Vegas doesn’t play again until Wednesday and does have some time to evaluate everything they’ve seen so far from their forwards.

I remember in Marek’s interview with Lawless, Lawless made it sound like Vegas didn’t want to offer Krebs or Hague. Hence, why Vegas was “not close at all”.

If he ends up in Vegas, I hope we go scorched Earth rebuild - because we wouldn't stand a chance in our division.

[TheScorpion]

Why does it seem like every forward on the trade market "makes too much sense" for Vegas?

[Sec214]

Calgary can offer better quality then Vegas we cant offer better then Anahiem, LA and Rangers if they opened the golden chest.

[chummer]

Yea the impression I got from Lawless is that it's not close for Vegas, Krebs is a non-starter.


He does seem pretty well connected but he could be putting up a smoke screen

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1449084476395593735

Not exactly news, but Vegas doesn’t play again until Wednesday and does have some time to evaluate everything they’ve seen so far from their forwards.

I remember in Marek’s interview with Lawless, Lawless made it sound like Vegas didn’t want to offer Krebs or Hague. Hence, why Vegas was “not close at all”.

They cannot allow the Knights to waltz in at the 11th hour and steal Jack Eichel because they weren’t comfortable beating an offer centred around the 17th overall pick in 2019.

Don’t lose sight of this either - if the Knights get Eichel now, he is going to extend with them when his deal expires.

Even if Calgary only ends up buying 5 years of Eichel as a Flame, it’s worth it to prevent 12 years of Eichel as a Golden Knight.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Why does it seem like every forward on the trade market "makes too much sense" for Vegas?

Because Vegas has been the team that has gobbled up almost every major player to hit the market in the last few years.

Mark Stone, Max Pacioretty, Alex Pietrangelo, Robin Lehner. Vegas' intentions are very clear, so I imagine easy to speculate/predict.

Meanwhile, if you look at a team like the Flames it's pretty tough to speculate on what their path forward looks like. Tkachuk long-term? Gaudreau long-term? They're a team that believes they're contenders while not being a playoff team and while not being able to actually execute on big trades - unlike Vegas.

[Toonage]

^ Also while they have grabbed so many wingers, defensemen and goalies they are still without a star #1 centre.

Eichel does make sense there

But a healthy Eichel makes sense everywhere, really.

[GioforPM]

Does no one look at cap when evaluating this? How does Vegas do it fit Eichel?