2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dino7c]

Tkachuk is going to have a monster season IMO

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Since1984

In my opinion, players that are without a letter, on teams with little to no progress when it comes to postseason success tend to explore free agency more often than the ones in situations like above.

You are going to have to do the legwork on this if it us something you expect people to believe.

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[Bonded]

Pegula's do strange things and they might give Tkachuk 9-10 million per season. They were the drivers on that Skinner contract.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I’d be shocked if Tkachuk was part of the trade proposal for Eichel. It really doesn’t make sense for either team. There’s no way Buffalo wants to take on that contract uncertainty when they’re rebuilding.

I think it all comes down to options.

If the market has dried up a bit, and the four first round equivalents isn't happening due time (hasn't been paid to date), and the fact that both the Sabres need contracts to hit the floor and teams need cap relief to bring in Eichel ... then yeah I can see them assessing almost any asset as part of the package, including Tkachuk.

Calgary's 1st in 22
Tkachuk

is really ... what if they trade Tkachuk later?

Calgary's 1st in '22
Team X 1st in '22
Team X grade A prospect

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I’d be shocked if Tkachuk was part of the trade proposal for Eichel. It really doesn’t make sense for either team. There’s no way Buffalo wants to take on that contract uncertainty when they’re rebuilding.

Actually, it seems to me that if there is ever a good scenario to take on a contract uncertainty of this magnitude, then it is in the midst of a rebuild. Buffalo will have tonnes of cap room, no expectations, and facing no pressure to win. They still have to spend money, so why not spend it on an asset from which you could still recoup a good return on your investment over the next year?

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I’d be shocked if Tkachuk was part of the trade proposal for Eichel. It really doesn’t make sense for either team. There’s no way Buffalo wants to take on that contract uncertainty when they’re rebuilding.

If I’m Buffalo I’m asking for Lindholm - a centre with term on a great contract. I may not get him, but if not, they may have to settle for Monahan - a centre with term on a higher contract and with some questions marks around health. They are going to want a player with term at the very least. The only thing about Tkachuk is he better fits their window for success with their picks, prospects and younger players like Dahlin.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If I’m Buffalo I’m asking for Lindholm - a centre with term on a great contract. I may not get him, but if not, they may have to settle for Monahan - a centre with term on a higher contract and with some questions marks around health. They are going to want a player with term at the very least. The only thing about Tkachuk is he better fits their window for success with their picks, prospects and younger players like Dahlin.

To me that makes no sense. I feel like the Sabres are fully invested in their best pieces being prospects and picks. Lindholm would represent likely the most valuable piece of the deal which doesn’t fit what Buffalo wants.

Monahan is mostly for cap purposes in these deals or repurposed for more futures. Friedman has been clear that Buffalo wants futures so a 26 turning 27 year old who won’t help their rebuild and will need a big deal by the time they might compete makes no sense to me

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

To me that makes no sense. I feel like the Sabres are fully invested in their best pieces being prospects and picks. Lindholm would represent likely the most valuable piece of the deal which doesn’t fit what Buffalo wants.

Monahan is mostly for cap purposes in these deals or repurposed for more futures. Friedman has been clear that Buffalo wants futures so a 26 turning 27 year old who won’t help their rebuild and will need a big deal by the time they might compete makes no sense to me

Monahan most likely would be moved in a separate trade to free up space and get a pick or prospect buffalo wants. Hard to see what team would be able to take him with limited cap coming back.

[Ped]

Actually I think Lindholm might be very attractive to the Sabres. A proven top-6 player. Under contract for three more years, so danger of him packing it in any time soon.


More importantly, the Sabres just can't play with all prospects. There has to be veterans in that group, and more effective veterans than Kyle Okposo and Jeff Skinner would help. Cody Eakin and Zemgus Girgensons just aren't going to cut it.


The Sabres have two players 30 or older on their entire roster, and one of those (Eakin) is 30. Throwing the reins to Mittelstadt and Cozens and Dahlin with no help is just setting them up for more failure. The only effective vet on their team is Olofsson,, and he's basically a middle-6 guy.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Monahan most likely would be moved in a separate trade to free up space and get a pick or prospect buffalo wants. Hard to see what team would be able to take him with limited cap coming back.

That is how I see it. Buffalo would eat a bad deal or two if the result is extracting more futures. I would seriously be surprised if the Flames and Sabres could work out a deal without a third team involved.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

To me that makes no sense. I feel like the Sabres are fully invested in their best pieces being prospects and picks. Lindholm would represent likely the most valuable piece of the deal which doesn’t fit what Buffalo wants.

Monahan is mostly for cap purposes in these deals or repurposed for more futures. Friedman has been clear that Buffalo wants futures so a 26 turning 27 year old who won’t help their rebuild and will need a big deal by the time they might compete makes no sense to me

Lindholm is going to be a good player for the rest of his contract and will likely sign a decent one next time, and I suspect he’d be a good leader for the younger guys. If you are being offered Monahan, who’s the same vintage and more expensive, you may as well see if you can get Lindholm instead, is my point.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ped

Actually I think Lindholm might be very attractive to the Sabres. A proven top-6 player. Under contract for three more years, so danger of him packing it in any time soon.


More importantly, the Sabres just can't play with all prospects. There has to be veterans in that group, and more effective veterans than Kyle Okposo and Jeff Skinner would help. Cody Eakin and Zemgus Girgensons just aren't going to cut it.


The Sabres have two players 30 or older on their entire roster, and one of those (Eakin) is 30. Throwing the reins to Mittelstadt and Cozens and Dahlin with no help is just setting them up for more failure. The only effective vet on their team is Olofsson,, and he's basically a middle-6 guy.

Buffalo is doing what in the next 3 years? Why add a player who brings his most value immediately as one of the key pieces in the deal. It would have been like the Flames targeting 27 year olds when they made the Bouwmeester or Iginla trades. They were clearly in a rebuild and picks prospects is what they want.

Buffalo is basically at square 1 so why take a player whose value is at his peak now and for the next 3 years as the centerpiece?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Lindholm is going to be a good player for the rest of his contract and will likely sign a decent one next time, and I suspect he’d be a good leader for the younger guys. If you are being offered Monahan, who’s the same vintage and more expensive, you may as well see if you can get Lindholm instead, is my point.

Ya your point is basically Lindholm and Monahanare interchangeable which is simply not true. If the Flames are offering Monahan+Valimaki+Coronato+22 1st. Well if the ask turns to Lindholm from Monahan the the Flames offer changes from Valimaki to Kylington and Coronato is off the table.

Lindholm fired his agent in year 2 of his deal as he likely could be upset he left money on the table going 6 years with the Flames he could have easily got a huge deal if he went bridge with Calgary. I don’t see why he would sign a reasonable deal with the Sabres when he can go to market and maximize his value.

I don’t think it is worth the Sabres sacrificing futures to get a better win now player in Lindholm is my point

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Buffalo is doing what in the next 3 years? Why add a player who brings his most value immediately as one of the key pieces in the deal. It would have been like the Flames targeting 27 year olds when they made the Bouwmeester or Iginla trades. They were clearly in a rebuild and picks prospects is what they want.

Buffalo is basically at square 1 so why take a player whose value is at his peak now and for the next 3 years as the centerpiece?

Centrepiece? I’m not saying that. I’m assuming they still want the picks and prospects. What I’m saying is, when Calgary says “take Monahan to even out the cap” they may reply “we like Lindholm better”. Plus Lindholm doesn’t have an NTC, like Monahan does.

I mean, if they don’t care who the player is and will just accept a salary back, give ‘em Lucic if he waives.

[InternationalVillager]

Gaudreau-Eichel-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Monahan-Coleman
Dube-Backlund-Pitlick
Lucic-Gawdin-Lewis

Move Dube/Mangi up to 1st line with Lindholm at Center while Eichel recovers. When healthy, all of a sudden - Gaudreau has 2 RHS players to feed the puck to on his line.

[FusionX]

I don't really think there's anyway this would happen, but theoretically, what could a 3 team trade between us, Buffalo and Ottawa look like where both Tkachuks end up in Buffalo, Monahan in Ottawa and Eichel in Calgary?

Calgary out: Monahan, Tkachuk, 2022 1st conditional on Eichel's playtime, 2022 2nd
Calgary in: Eichel, Connor Brown

Ottawa out: Brady Tkachuk, Connor Brown
Ottawa in: Monahan, Flames 2022 1st conditional on Eichel's playtime, Girgensons

Buffalo out: Eichel, Girgensons
Buffalo in: Both Tkachuks, Flames 2022 2nd

I don't know... I tried to look through capfriendly, do some mental gymnastics so this could be a completely unrealistic proposal but tried to keep it as fair as I can see? I don't know enough about the players/propects on either team to truly make a more informed potential proposal.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ya your point is basically Lindholm and Monahanare interchangeable which is simply not true. If the Flames are offering Monahan+Valimaki+Coronato+22 1st. Well if the ask turns to Lindholm from Monahan the the Flames offer changes from Valimaki to Kylington and Coronato is off the table.

Lindholm fired his agent in year 2 of his deal as he likely could be upset he left money on the table going 6 years with the Flames he could have easily got a huge deal if he went bridge with Calgary. I don’t see why he would sign a reasonable deal with the Sabres when he can go to market and maximize his value.

I don’t think it is worth the Sabres sacrificing futures to get a better win now player in Lindholm is my point

That’s the disconnect. I think they may ASK for Lindholm and not change the rest of the ask. What they GET is a different story. Hell, that may have been their ask right now, which didn’t get accepted.

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You are going to have to do the legwork on this if it us something you expect people to believe.

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#### that! its nearly impossible for me to get all that data. I could only get the data for which player's re-signed with their team before the free agent courting period and July first, then compare it to players who both re-signed or signed elsewhere after July 1...so it is even harder to get recent data without actually knowing a pro agent or multiple.

I am not trying to convince anyone of what I am saying, all I am saying is IMO players test free agency more often then re-upping with the team, regardless of where they sign in the end.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That’s the disconnect. I think they may ASK for Lindholm and not change the rest of the ask. What they GET is a different story. Hell, that may have been their ask right now, which didn’t get accepted.

Then I don’t think the deal gets done. The flames won’t trade all their top futures and their healthy 2 way 1/2 center who has a 3 year sweetheart contract for a $10M guy who is still risky. Adding a $10M guy like Eichel makes having a sub $5M guy like Lindholm that much more important. If the Flames have 3 of their top future assets in the deal changing the cap from Monahan to Lindholm could be a deal breaker for Calgary

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Since1984

#### that! its nearly impossible for me to get all that data. I could only get the data for which player's re-signed with their team before the free agent courting period and July first, then compare it to players who both re-signed or signed elsewhere after July 1...so it is even harder to get recent data without actually knowing a pro agent or multiple.



I am not trying to convince anyone of what I am saying, all I am saying is IMO players test free agency more often then re-upping with the team, regardless of where they sign in the end.

Fine. And all I am saying is that I don't believe you.

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