[News] Flames opening day roster set

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by timbit

I will bet you, whatever amount you choose, that they will not allow 250 goals.

They allowed 161 in 56 games last year — a 236-goal pace — and that was before they inexplicably decided to replace Giordano with Gudbranson and Zadorov.

In the last full NHL season, 14 teams allowed more than 250 goals. It's not like I said they'd give up 300 (although I don't think 275 is out of the question).

I'd put 10 bucks on 250 or more, though.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Certainly not. I just don't think they'll be able to score very many goals, and I definitely don't think they'll be very good on defense. I could see them allowing 250+ goals.

It's my honest take. I can't really see them being any good at all, especially if we don't see Tanev keep up his otherworldly play and Andersson bounce back.

Although I believe with the loss of Giordano the defense isn't as good, I think the forwards are much more defensively sound. You MUST be accountable on the other side of the puck under this coach. I think the overall team defense will be better.

Its Darryl Sutter, he gives up the outer parameter to limit high danger, the problem as you pointed out will be generating offense.

[djsFlames]

Markstrom + Vladar will have something to say about that.

We got good, healthy Markstrom for only the first couple weeks last season.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Yes, that's me — with the additional caveat that I was at least partially trying to use reverse psychology to manifest at least some form of the opposite into being.

Was gonna say... that was some bleak ####.

At least they can only surpass those expectations.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Was gonna say... that was some bleak ####.

At least they can only surpass those expectations.

Are they really unfair, though? We just watched a Flames season where they didn't really commit to any direction and stood pat on the roster during the year, with that choice ultimately leading to them letting their captain and best defenceman walk for nothing and letting Gaudreau's NTC kick in without extending or trading him (reducing their leverage in both situations).

It was a disaster. So ... that's the starting point for my expectations.

[Enoch Root]

If Gaudreau's contract situation affects his on-ice play, it will be in a positive way.

The goaltending will be better.

The team defense will be better.

There is no chance they give up 250 goals.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

They allowed 161 in 56 games last year — a 236-goal pace — and that was before they inexplicably decided to replace Giordano with Gudbranson and Zadorov.

In the last full NHL season, 14 teams allowed more than 250 goals. It's not like I said they'd give up 300 (although I don't think 275 is out of the question).

I'd put 10 bucks on 250 or more, though.

Pretty explicable … best of a bad set of options for the expansion draft.

Explicable, but still ####ty.


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[timbit]

Sutter coached Calgary for its final 30 games last season, starting on March 11. From that point on, the Flames allowed the second-fewest shot attempts per 60 at 5-on-5 and generated the eighth most, per naturalstattrick.com. Their overall shot-attempt share was second in the NHL only to the Colorado Avalanche’s once Sutter took over, and the Flames had the second-lowest expected goals against per 60 at 5-on-5.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If Gaudreau's contract situation affects his on-ice play, it will be in a positive way.

The goaltending will be better.

The team defense will be better.

There is no chance they give up 250 goals.

Well, they might. I don't see a prime Kiprusoff, Quick, Nabokov, or Doughty on this team.

They really need Tanev to keep playing like an all-star and I'm not sure if that's feasible. Beyond that, it's pretty bleak. I like Markstrom but he still needs to show a lot after his 20-21 season.

I just don't know how you can say the team defence will be better after they lost one of the league's better defencemen. It's possible there's some value to be had with Zadorov — I really don't think there's any chance with Gudbranson — but I don't know if Darryl's system will be able to fill the holes in this defensive group. It's just not very good, and I think there's a chance it'll be the least talented one he's ever coached in the NHL.

And I just question whether Markstrom will be able to succeed with the heavy workload Darryl will undoubtedly give him. The insurance has some upside but still, Vladar and Werner have collectively played seven NHL games.

I suspect this team will have to outscore a lot of its problems, and I just don't know if they have the personnel to do it. That's not me trying to conjure up a hot take ... it's just what I see as being the reality with this roster.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Well, they might. I don't see a prime Kiprusoff, Quick, Nabokov, or Doughty on this team.

They really need Tanev to keep playing like an all-star and I'm really not sure if that's feasible. Beyond that, it's pretty bleak. I like Markstrom but he still needs to show a lot after his 20-21 season.

I just don't know how you can say the team defence will be better after they lost one of the league's better defencemen. It's possible there's some value to be had with Zadorov — I really don't think there's any chance with Gudbranson — but I don't know if Darryl's system will be able to fill the holes in this defensive group. It's just not very good, and I think there's a chance it'll be the least talented one he's ever coached in the NHL.

And I just question whether Markstrom will be able to succeed with the heavy workload Darryl will undoubtedly give him. The insurance has some upside but still, Vladar and Werner have collectively played seven NHL games.

I suspect this team will have to outscore a lot of its problems, and I just don't know if they have the personnel to do it. That's not me trying to conjure up a hot take ... it's just what I see as being the reality with this roster.

Yeah, no hot takes - you are simply stating, and supporting your opinion.

And I happen to disagree with everything you say.

[TheScorpion]

And cheers to you. Here's to Oliver Kylington breaking out and Rasmus Andersson bouncing back this year.

[Textcritic]

"Reality." The most misused and misunderstood word on CP.

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

And cheers to you. Here's to Oliver Kylington breaking out and Rasmus Andersson bouncing back this year.

Both would be huge. But especially Andersson.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

"Reality." The most misused and misunderstood words on CP.

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That, and 'realist'

[TheScorpion]

In fairness I didn't say I think what I said is reality — I said it's what I see as being the reality.

Y'all can believe whatever you want about the Flames, I'm not gonna stop you. All I can do is call it how I see it. Purely opinion, of course.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In fairness I didn't say I think what I said is reality — I said it's what I see as being the reality.

Y'all can believe whatever you want about the Flames, I'm not gonna stop you. All I can do is call it how I see it. Purely opinion, of course.

Yes, no need to get defensive. You have every right to your opinion. And most importantly, you have well thought out reasons to support them. Which is one of the reasons why I enjoy discussing them with you.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In fairness I didn't say I think what I said is reality — I said it's what I see as being the reality.

Y'all can believe whatever you want about the Flames, I'm not gonna stop you. All I can do is call it how I see it. Purely opinion, of course.

That's fair. I am probably a little triggered by all the "reality" being espoused by all those self-appointed "realists" over the summer.

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[timbit]

Let me straighten out one thing, Scorp.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and for the most part I acquiesce with them.

However, taking in to consideration that almost every CP member was certain that coaching was a black hole over recent years...

Perhaps, to be consistent, we should give Sutter the credit for , historically, providing outstanding defensive results, including, after walking into horror shows in San Jose, Calgary (first time) and LA.

That was my point and I stand firm on it.

[TheScorpion]

I just don't see the personnel. All three of those teams had elite goaltenders and, IMO, at least one defenceman who was better than Tanev generally is.

The Flames need Markstrom to rebound after his injuries and Tanev to continue his excellent play, plus a few more things to go their way. If Darryl's the man to fix it, I'll be super impressed.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I don't think Scorp is really making a crazy prediction. The only thing that is going to save the Flames is the fact they play in the Pacific division, which is really weak. They should be able to sneak into the 3rd slot in the division. If they can't do that, the 250 goals against predicted will certainly be in play. I personally don't see them giving up that many under Sutter, but it is possible. Markstrom should maintain his sub 3.00 GAA, but if he gets hurt, the potential for the GAA to balloon goes up. Markstrom's health is the lynchpin to that prediction having a chance IMO.

Where I see the Flames struggling is scoring. I don't see them outscoring many teams should the opposition get more than two past the Flames' goaltenders. That is where this team is going to hit a wall IMO. To keep the GAA down they will have to play a very disciplined defensive game to make up for the weak blueline. That is going to hurt the offense and keep those numbers down. The Flames will have to win a lot of games 2-1 or 3-2, because I don't see them scoring more than three goals on most nights. I see them giving up 230-235 goals (middle of the pack), but scoring 220-225 (lower third for offense).