2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

And if the tkachuk’s get away with it then it will become a league wide problem. Treliving screwed up when he caved to Chuckys bridge plan.

You can't make a player sign a long term contract. The only alternative was for Trev to let him hold out. I'm not sure how fans would have liked that coming off a great year, especially when teams in a cap world generally have a window of being competitive.

I doubt it becomes a league wide problem. Most players would rather have the 7-8 year contract with guaranteed big money. Not many want to gamble like the Tkachuks were obvioulyl prepared to do.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

And if the tkachuk’s get away with it then it will become a league wide problem. Treliving screwed up when he caved to Chuckys bridge plan.

You make it sound like Tkachuk is the guy that set the precedent?

Laine, Boeser, Point, Werenski, McAvoy, Meier also signed similar bridge deals with higher QO’s at the end. Tkachuk being a holdout was one of the last guys that summer to sign that deal. Some people on here talk like Tkachuk and the Flames created this contract structure

[dino7c]

Some people in the other thread think Petterson's largest bridge contract in NHL history is such a great deal

What is the difference? He even said he wants to see if the team can win

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Tkachuk’s are working their way to a desired destination so I really hope Matthew has a career year that justifies the high QO and creates a solid trade package for him. Good thing is he will definitely be motivated to have his best season.

I don't think they are working their way towards a particular location, I think they are working their way towards maximizing their career earnings.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't think they are working their way towards a particular location, I think they are working their way towards maximizing their career earnings.

I think they want their cake and to eat it too. If Brady is being offered 8x8 shouldn’t he take that? He has never scored 25 goals or 50pts yet being offered 64M.

Maybe they are not going to one particular place but I would be surprised if either signed long term in Ottawa or Calgary

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't think they are working their way towards a particular location, I think they are working their way towards maximizing their career earnings.

Yeah but the money is a given really as top players are all getting paid and it seems the new power play is players choosing where they want to play. Is anyone going to be surprised if Auston Matthews ends up playing in Arizona when his current contract expires? Really I can't fault the players for choosing where they want to live and play.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think they want their cake and to eat it too. If Brady is being offered 8x8 shouldn’t he take that? He has never scored 25 goals or 50pts yet being offered 64M.

Maybe they are not going to one particular place but I would be surprised if either signed long term in Ottawa or Calgary

It isn't up to us. He is going to do whatever he think swill get him the most money over his career.

And salaries always rise, so shorter term deals are rarely a mistake.

[jaikorven]

What burns me the most, as long as my memory isn't the issue here, is that Matthew stated after being drafted by Calgary, was that he wanted to be drafted by us? Or maybe he was just looking at and playing the odds on the team that got him, on draft day. IDK now honestly.

Either way, I admit to being more emotional than most, so I actually wish they traded him for the best package that was available in the off-season and just washed their hands of the whole family. A guy like this seems like he could ruin your whole cap structure.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah but the money is a given really and it seems the new power play is players choosing where they want to play. Is anyone going to be surprised if Auston Matthews ends up playing in Arizona when his current contract expires? Really I can't fault the players for choosing where they want to live and play.

How is the money a given?

Some players sign reasonable deals with their team (Pastrnak, for example), and other guys hold out to get everything they can.

The 'market' for contracts is very loose, and is no where near a 'given'.

[Azhouse]

Tkachuk's maximizing profit like Dad. When they drafted Matt I was wary. Keith held out when he had two years left on his contract demanding that he become one of the highest paid players in the game. It's not good.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It isn't up to us. He is going to do whatever he think swill get him the most money over his career.

And salaries always rise, so shorter term deals are rarely a mistake.

I don’t agree that all he cares about is money and if anything the last couple years proves that nothing is guaranteed. Is Taylor Hall making $10M a year instead of $6M if he signed an extension with the Devils or Coyotes before Covid?

Brady is being offered the captaincy and more money than a player with his pedigree is being offered. Svechnikov signed for less but has done more and was picked 2 spots higher in the same draft.

It is an incredibly naive assumption that this is only about money.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It is absolutely relevant.

Sorry, you can't just accept that a good player was bad here because of magic - or at least you shouldn't. Also, it did happen here. The Dallas Stars playoff series and the round vs. the Jets - he grabbed the opportunity and was our best player. Look at the next season - instantly demoted and played with scraps - he had earned a better spot.

What is wrong with Calgary as an organization that we've had so little success? Why was the highest pick in franchise history a 4th line LW'er here on a non-playoff team yet an impactful 2nd line centre on one of the best teams in the league?

Brad Treliving, that's the current answer. He's the guy who hired Gulutzan, Peters, and Ward -> three of the worst coaches in the history of this team. Squandered talent, panicked under pressure, and will never be head coaches in this league again.

LMAO! Sam Bennett's success is basically the success of Jonathan Huberdeau. That's how good that guy is. You just didn't know it because you don't follow the Panthers.

[Azhouse]

^ Vinny I hope you're right.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t agree that all he cares about is money and if anything the last couple years proves that nothing is guaranteed. Is Taylor Hall making $10M a year instead of $6M if he signed an extension with the Devils or Coyotes before Covid?

Brady is being offered the captaincy and more money than a player with his pedigree is being offered. Svechnikov signed for less but has done more and was picked 2 spots higher in the same draft.

It is an incredibly naive assumption that this is only about money.

LOL

It's naive to think he is acting just like his dad did, and his brother appears to be? Okay, enlighten me.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think they want their cake and to eat it too. If Brady is being offered 8x8 shouldn’t he take that? He has never scored 25 goals or 50pts yet being offered 64M.

Maybe they are not going to one particular place but I would be surprised if either signed long term in Ottawa or Calgary

In the sense of Brady Tkachuk I do think that 8 x $8M is probably already an over payment for what he's provided already and if you pro-rate his first three seasons to all be 82 games you haven't seen much progression there.

18-19: 25 goals, 52 points
19-20: 24 Goals, 50 points
20-21: 25 Goals, 52 points

He's playing on a terrible team, and his underlying possession numbers are strong, but I'm not sure his situation is comparable to his brother.

Matthew had three strong seasons where he got better every year, and then ended up with a PPG season before re-signing.

Matthews first 3 seasons adjusted for 82 games:

16-17: 14 goals, 52 points
17-18: 29 goals, 59 points
18-19: 34 goals, 77 points

Honestly 8 x $8M would be a big bet for Brady at this point, and really a bridge deal of 3 years x $6M would probably be an overpayment on a bridge.

I do think there is probably more than money involved here though. I think he wants a bridge deal to get to UFA ASAP, and I do think that at some point both brothers want to end up playing in St.Louis together.

I honestly think that All-Star game in St.Louis where the whole family got a big ovation and the fans loves them really sealed the deal. Maybe not after these next contracts…but I think they end up there together eventually.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

How is the money a given?

Some players sign reasonable deals with their team (Pastrnak, for example), and other guys hold out to get everything they can.

The 'market' for contracts is very loose, and is no where near a 'given'.

Players who sigh reasonable deals generally do so because they are in a very good p[ace with a very good team.

If Brady Tkachuk is going to stay in Ottawa long term, they will need to show him exceptional money right now, because the closer he gets to UFA, the more likely he will leave.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In the sense of Brady Tkachuk I do think that 8 x $8M is probably already an over payment for what he's provided already and if you pro-rate his first three seasons to all be 82 games you haven't seen much progression there.

18-19: 25 goals, 52 points
19-20: 24 Goals, 50 points
20-21: 25 Goals, 52 points

He's playing on a terrible team, and his underlying possession numbers are strong, but I'm not sure his situation is comparable to his brother.

Matthew had three strong seasons where he got better every year, and then ended up with a PPG season before re-signing.

Matthews first 3 seasons adjusted for 82 games:

16-17: 14 goals, 52 points
17-18: 29 goals, 59 points
18-19: 34 goals, 77 points

Honestly 8 x $8M would be a big bet for Brady at this point, and really a bridge deal of 3 years x $6M would probably be an overpayment on a bridge.

I do think there is probably more than money involved here though. I think he wants a bridge deal to get to UFA ASAP, and I do think that at some point both brothers want to end up playing in St.Louis together.

I honestly think that All-Star game in St.Louis where the whole family got a big ovation and the fans loves them really sealed the deal. Maybe not after these next contracts…but I think they end up there together eventually.

If Brady had been playing with an elite centre, I expect his points would reflect that easily.

You are correct that an 8x$8M is a huge overpayment based on his production to date. But it will likely take well more than that to get him to commit to 8 years in Ottawa.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Players who sigh reasonable deals generally do so because they are in a very good p[ace with a very good team.

If Brady Tkachuk is going to stay in Ottawa long term, they will need to show him exceptional money right now, because the closer he gets to UFA, the more likely he will leave.

Conversely, if offering more money means he stays, then money was in fact the issue.

Or, even if he leaves, if he goes where the money is highest, then it was about the money, not location (unless by coincidence, they are the same, but we would have no way of knowing that)

[cam_wmh]

Per Capfriendly, the Senators are at least a million under the cap floor, before Tkachuk’s signing.

Are there any penalties, if they start the season under?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

LMAO! Sam Bennett's success is basically the success of Jonathan Huberdeau. That's how good that guy is. You just didn't know it because you don't follow the Panthers.

I’ve watched almost all the Panthers game since Bennett was acquired. If you think Bennett’s success is entirely because of Huberdeau…well, you’re wrong. Also, yes - you generally need to play with other good players to have success. How not to have success? Saddle your players with sub-NHL players like Troy Brouwer, James Neal, and Mark Jankowski.

Bennett’s a good player, and the reason he didn’t flourish here was because our last 3 head coaches were morons who will never be head coaches in this league again, and because our GM insisted on paying 4M+ on non-NHL talent to fill out his roster.