2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Bennett's Florida numbers are irrelevant because it wasn't gonna happen here.

All that matters is are the Flames better as a team overall?

People are laughing at suggesting they have improved yet they will have a better win% this season IMO

It is absolutely relevant.

Sorry, you can't just accept that a good player was bad here because of magic - or at least you shouldn't. Also, it did happen here. The Dallas Stars playoff series and the round vs. the Jets - he grabbed the opportunity and was our best player. Look at the next season - instantly demoted and played with scraps - he had earned a better spot.

What is wrong with Calgary as an organization that we've had so little success? Why was the highest pick in franchise history a 4th line LW'er here on a non-playoff team yet an impactful 2nd line centre on one of the best teams in the league?

Brad Treliving, that's the current answer. He's the guy who hired Gulutzan, Peters, and Ward -> three of the worst coaches in the history of this team. Squandered talent, panicked under pressure, and will never be head coaches in this league again.

[Vinny01]

I think I would have given Treliving a B+ for the summer of 2020 if he just made the Ward-Sutter swap before the season. I think a full season with Sutter Bennett would have never asked for a trade and likely would have flourished more than he had here in the past. It wouldn’t be like Florida but he could have been a top 6 with Sutter as coach I believe.

[Monahammer]

Let's all give Sam 40 games before anointing him a good player all of a sudden. We've seen him have hot flashes in the past. He did not look too hot last pre season game.

Frankly I would rather we just close that chapter and forget about him.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think I would have given Treliving a B+ for the summer of 2020 if he just made the Ward-Sutter swap before the season. I think a full season with Sutter Bennett would have never asked for a trade and likely would have flourished more than he had here in the past. It wouldn’t be like Florida but he could have been a top 6 with Sutter as coach I believe.

He was already starting to show it as well. Sutter's comment to Bennett when Bennett was leaving was that he wished he had more time with him.

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Let's all give Sam 40 games before anointing him a good player all of a sudden. We've seen him have hot flashes in the past. He did not look too hot last pre season game.

Frankly I would rather we just close that chapter and forget about him.

It'll be closed when Brad Treliving is fired, and this era ends. That'll bring the full closure to that subject.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Which should have been done in the first place.

Who would buy a car at dealer sticker value but told they are not allowed to have an inspection or view the vehicles accident/maintenance history?

Buffalo is just some kind of special.

But you’re not buying just a car.

You’re buying an Enzo.

An Enzo that’s been in a wreck, but is restorable, is still an Enzo.

[bax]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It is absolutely relevant.

Sorry, you can't just accept that a good player was bad here because of magic - or at least you shouldn't. Also, it did happen here. The Dallas Stars playoff series and the round vs. the Jets - he grabbed the opportunity and was our best player. Look at the next season - instantly demoted and played with scraps - he had earned a better spot.

What is wrong with Calgary as an organization that we've had so little success? Why was the highest pick in franchise history a 4th line LW'er here on a non-playoff team yet an impactful 2nd line centre on one of the best teams in the league?

Brad Treliving, that's the current answer. He's the guy who hired Gulutzan, Peters, and Ward -> three of the worst coaches in the history of this team. Squandered talent, panicked under pressure, and will never be head coaches in this league again.

I don’t really disagree with your point overall. Bennett was definitely mishandled during his time here, but I still believe some of that falls on him. There was so many games where he was so disappointing no matter where he played in the line up.

We’ll see if he can sustain this success in Florida, I hope he does.

I don’t think it’s fair to lump Peters in with those other guys. He’s a legitimately good coach- just unfortunate he’s also a racist.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by bax

I don’t really disagree with your point overall. Bennett was definitely mishandled during his time here, but I still believe some of that falls on him. There was so many games where he was so disappointing no matter where he played in the line up.

We’ll see if he can sustain this success in Florida, I hope he does.

I don’t think it’s fair to lump Peters in with those other guys. He’s a legitimately good coach- just unfortunate he’s also a racist.

Of course some it is on the player, but when you don't reward him for strong play you break the relationship between player and team. There were plenty of nights where he didn't look good, like plenty of other players on the roster. I'll always argue that no good organization handles a 4th overall pick/player like Bennett the way the Flames did - it was just a bad organization showing itself for what it is.

Bennett is a good player to look at and see how far Calgary as an organization is from being championship quality. If you look at how the Flames eroded that asset and compare it with how Tampa handled Jonathan Drouin - that's the difference between the Flames and a Championship quality team. I'd also argue that Bennett is a better player than Drouin, yet Tampa figured out it was time to move on from Drouin while the gettin' was still good and maximized the return.

On Peters - lost the team about 60 games into the season and never got it back. I absolutely think Peters is a bad coach, and it showed in those playoffs. He squandered a talented team.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Of course some it is on the player, but when you don't reward him for strong play you break the relationship between player and team. There were plenty of nights where he didn't look good, like plenty of other players on the roster. I'll always argue that no good organization handles a 4th overall pick/player like Bennett the way the Flames did - it was just a bad organization showing itself for what it is.

On Peters - lost the team about 60 games into the season and never got it back. I absolutely think Peters is a bad coach, and it showed in those playoffs. He squandered a talented team.

Peters didn't have the coaching chops to respond to the Avs adjustment in game two.

They were capable of playing way better than they did and he let them go out with a whimper.

Saddest part of all.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It is absolutely relevant.

Sorry, you can't just accept that a good player was bad here because of magic - or at least you shouldn't. Also, it did happen here. The Dallas Stars playoff series and the round vs. the Jets - he grabbed the opportunity and was our best player. Look at the next season - instantly demoted and played with scraps - he had earned a better spot.

What is wrong with Calgary as an organization that we've had so little success? Why was the highest pick in franchise history a 4th line LW'er here on a non-playoff team yet an impactful 2nd line centre on one of the best teams in the league?

Brad Treliving, that's the current answer. He's the guy who hired Gulutzan, Peters, and Ward -> three of the worst coaches in the history of this team. Squandered talent, panicked under pressure, and will never be head coaches in this league again.

It's not relevant to the conversation of "have the Flames improved this summer"

Should have known better than to suggest Bennett wasn't on topic.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's not relevant to the conversation of "have the Flames improved this summer"

Should have known better than to suggest Bennett wasn't on topic.

Well...my response was totally off-base then, and that's my bad. Sorry dino.

On that topic specifically, I'd say Bennett is fair game when comparing year-to-year improvement.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

But you’re not buying just a car.

You’re buying an Enzo.

An Enzo that’s been in a wreck, but is restorable, is still an Enzo.

But that's not a complete analogy. A better one is this:

Eichel is a race car. And he was a really good one - one of the best. And top race cars cost $XXX

Yes, but he crashed.

Yes, but we're going to rebuild him.

Okay, can I inspect him?

No. But he is going to be as good as before - honest! And he still costs $XXX

[bax]

Not sure where to post this but Tkachuk and Mangiapane are on the latest episode of 31 Thoughts.

Tkachuk sounds perfectly reasonable to me and very determined. His comments on his brother all seem in good fun given the full context of the interview.

Interesting that he mentions the team knew The Flames were talking to Sutter as early as the Bill Peters firing.

Mangiapane skated with Eichel this summer at the Biosteel camp. Funny that Elliot brought up how good he would look centering Mangiapane.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But that's not a complete analogy. A better one is this:

Eichel is a race car. And he was a really good one - one of the best. And top race cars cost $XXX

Yes, but he crashed.

Yes, but we're going to rebuild him.

Okay, can I inspect him?

No. But he is going to be as good as before - honest! And he still costs $XXX

Sucks for everyone that Buffalo is owned by a Corvette owners. But it is what it is.

If you’re in the business of winning races, and you haven’t been able to build a comparable car in 30 years, you still roll the dice and do it.

If you want the car, this is the price.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Sucks for everyone that Buffalo is owned by a Corvette owners. But it is what it is.

If you’re in the business of winning races, and you haven’t been able to build a comparable car in 30 years, you still roll the dice and do it.

If you want the car, this is the price.

I am glad that you are not doing the purchasing

[Saqe]

Eichel would give the franchise a much needed boost, for good or bad. Even if it would horribly backfire it's not like the team is close to winning anything right now. Even though I'm not as high on him as some here for that reason alone I'd probably pull the trigger on him. Being this middle of the road team with a bleak looking future is the worst spot to be in.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am glad that you are not doing the purchasing

You say that now, but when the player does move and we see the cost, I guarantee you 90% of the reaction on this site will be “####s sake, we could have done better than THAT”.

And they’ll be right. But if I’ve learned anything the last five years, being right isn’t nearly enough.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You say that now, but when the player does move and we see the cost, I guarantee you 90% of the reaction on this site will be “####s sake, we could have done better than THAT”.

And they’ll be right. But if I’ve learned anything the last five years, being right isn’t nearly enough.

They would be only right if they were fully informed of the status of the asset. No sane trading partner would make a deal without all available medical information (or inspections in the car analogy).

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

They would be only right if they were fully informed of the status of the asset. No sane trading partner would make a deal without all available medical information (or inspections in the car analogy).

Eichel needs a neck surgery.

He wants the disc replacement instead of the fusion surgery that left Peyton Manning unable to feel his fingertips.

The Flames are obviously cool with him getting the surgery he wants, or they wouldn’t still be talking about it.

The Enzo needs a transmission replacement. It’ll take 3-4 months before you can drive it again.

Afterward, it’ll be an Enzo.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Eichel needs a neck surgery.

He wants the disc replacement instead of the fusion surgery that left Peyton Manning unable to feel his fingertips.

The Flames are obviously cool with him getting the surgery he wants, or they wouldn’t still be talking about it.

The Enzo needs a transmission replacement. It’ll take 3-4 months before you can drive it again.

Afterward, it’ll be an Enzo.

You don't know that. Stop pretending you do.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You say that now, but when the player does move and we see the cost, I guarantee you 90% of the reaction on this site will be “####s sake, we could have done better than THAT”.

And they’ll be right. But if I’ve learned anything the last five years, being right isn’t nearly enough.

100% this. But that’s because no one is paying for 2019 Eichel.