2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bax

Tom Wilson did go in the first round. 16th overall.

Wilson is a legitimately great top six forward in addition to all the physical stuff. 33 points in 47 games last year.

Boucher has a very long way to go to get there.

That first round never happened. Erased from history.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The Sens have drafted better than the Flames so I would not laugh at their drafting as a Flames fan

So because the Flames have drafted poorly (and I honestly don't think they have recently) it means I, as a fan, can't comment on other teams?

Never understood this mentality. The Flames poor results have no bearing on my opinion of other teams. Do I need to qualify my negative opinions with a "the Flames suck more but" every time?

Not meaning to call you out specifically because you're far from the first person to say something like this. Yeah, the Flames have sucked. Cheering for a bad team doesn't make someones opinions any more or less valid.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The Sens have drafted better than the Flames so I would not laugh at their drafting as a Flames fan

Quite the take, especially when many people have been very unimpressed by their recent draft hauls. Just because they've drafted a lot doesn't mean they've drafted better.

You might find some individual "scouts" that like their picks, but every draft model truly dislikes their recent drafts (and loves Calgary's)

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421960958235185155

Byron Bader's statistic-based model has the Flames ranked as having the 6th best prospect pool in the NHL, 3 spots higher than Ottawa

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421117051733610496

Even if Ottawa had drafted better than the Flames, what does that change? We're not allowed to criticize other teams? Lol

[Ashasx]

Yep. The Flames biggest drafting problem the last 4-5 years has been a lack of picks. They've done pretty well with the picks they've had.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Yep. The Flames biggest drafting problem the last 4-5 years has been a lack of picks. They've done pretty well with the picks they've had.

I'm still in the wait and see camp for those drafts. Last 5 drafts we really only have Valimaki who has established as an NHLer. And he still has work to do.

Go back 6 drafts and you have Fox, Dube and Tkachuk. Fox stands out there as an incredible pick obviously.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'm still in the wait and see camp for those drafts. Last 5 drafts we really only have Valimaki who has established as an NHLer. And he still has work to do.

Go back 6 drafts and you have Fox, Dube and Tkachuk. Fox stands out there as an incredible pick obviously.

I think his point stands though.

2017 - 2019 were devoid of draft picks, with 2017 and 2018 the biggest issue in the current timeline with only Valimaki making the grade. No 2nd and 3rd in 2017, and no 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the 2018. That's five reasonably high value picks that could have produced say one more player on the current roster.

But 2019 only has three players in the entire draft with a full traditional season of hockey in them, 2020 has none. So the Flames aren't really behind in any of the last three drafts as of yet.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I realize the Ducks have been a bad team over the past few seasons but Gibson's save percentage has nosedived over the past few seasons to below average. He's was a mirror image to David Rittich last season and that's not where you want to be.

John Gibson is the best goalie I've ever seen. You'd be lucky to get one goal by him.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by 868904

John Gibson is the best goalie I've ever seen. You'd be lucky to get one goal by him.

Yeah, I still think he's a very good goalie. Anaheim refusing to trade him has resulted in worse draft picks for the team and bad numbers for Gibson.
And now his value is far lower than what it used to be.

But he's still a good goalie.

[Toonage]

Woosh? Woosh.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think his point stands though.

2017 - 2019 were devoid of draft picks, with 2017 and 2018 the biggest issue in the current timeline with only Valimaki making the grade. No 2nd and 3rd in 2017, and no 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the 2018. That's five reasonably high value picks that could have produced say one more player on the current roster.

But 2019 only has three players in the entire draft with a full traditional season of hockey in them, 2020 has none. So the Flames aren't really behind in any of the last three drafts as of yet.

Agree with devoid of picks point. Jury still out on how they did with the picks they had.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by bax

Tom Wilson did go in the first round. 16th overall.

Wilson is a legitimately great top six forward in addition to all the physical stuff. 33 points in 47 games last year.

Boucher has a very long way to go to get there.

I know. My point was, perhaps made badly, that no matter where he was selected, in a redraft, he would still be a first round pick.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Ped

I know. My point was, perhaps made badly, that no matter where he was selected, in a redraft, he would still be a first round pick.

For sure, but Wilson would be an absolute best case scenario for Boucher and his development. The data says that is unlikely.

He’s more likely to develop into a bottom six grinder

[bzoo02]

Didn't know where else to put this but there was banter about Monahan in this thread. Even busted up he wins puck battles.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Didn't know where else to put this but there was banter about Monahan in this thread. Even busted up he wins puck battles.

Lolz. Shhh, he sucks 'memba??

[bzoo02]

And on the flip side.....oh Johnny.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

And on the flip side.....oh Johnny.

Wow there's some real CP darlings on there. Marchand, Farabee, Kyle Connor, patrik Kane. Seems to me that wingers statistically loose more puck battles because they are forechecking (harder to win battles) while centerman numbers are inflated by winning defensive battles.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

And on the flip side.....oh Johnny.

yeah. look at him hanging with those losers like Kane and Marchand.

in the grand scheme of things, I doubt the stat means much.

I suppose that as long as you have one person on a line that wins most of their puck battles, you're probably ok.

[Ashasx]

I don't think many are expecting Gaudreau to win puck battles.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Agree with devoid of picks point. Jury still out on how they did with the picks they had.

The jury is out on all 32 teams (31 for the first two years) for years 2019, 2020 and 2021.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Didn't know where else to put this but there was banter about Monahan in this thread. Even busted up he wins puck battles.

Does this include races to loose pucks, or just stationary battles on the walls?