Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by 868904

Any prospect and any roster player on the Flames right now could be traded, there are no untouchables.

The big no to me is TWO unprotected first round picks. Imagine being a lottery team for the next two years and gifting the Sabres Wright and Bedard? Or even giving them two top 5 picks would be bad enough.

The TWO unprotected first round picks are where I dry the line. Maybe you can give up one unprotected first round pick, but two, no way. The players and prospects are all meh.

I agree, the worst part of the trade is actually the 2023 pick (because we could very well be without Gaudreau that season...)

But, on the other hand, If you're going all in for Eichel you have to have confidence enough in the team that the pick should be 20+ both years. If you dont have enough confidence in the team, why are we even doing this? We should trade our core players nearing deadlines for futures.

But we all know that the flames dont see it that way and want to compete. SO DO IT

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Are we trying to make sure people never share anything ever again?
Why do people attack people that post some sort of insight?

First rule of internets club is everyone else is wrong.

[Iceman57]

Easy, now let's start the season 😊

Coronato
Dube
Mangiapane
Kylington
2022 1st rd pick (unprotected)
2023 1st rd pick (protected)

for

Jack Eichel
Tage Thompson
Robert Hagg
2024 2nd rd pick

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Giving up our 4th highest scoring forward makes us Edmonton?

What a dumb take. Edmonton has 2 players then garbage. We would still have Eichel, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Lindholm (then Monahan=> RNH the oilers third best forward.) Not to mention better D and obviously goal.

So much Hyperbole!
Zary is nothing to this team yet. Again this is showing the split. People want to both compete now and build for the future, but what we are going to get is a consistent 15th place team that way.

Well we will just disagree on that then. Your placing your bets on a guy going into surgery??

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Giving up our 4th highest scoring forward makes us Edmonton?

What a dumb take. Edmonton has 2 players then garbage. We would still have Eichel, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Lindholm (then Monahan=> RNH the oilers third best forward.) Not to mention better D and obviously goal.

So much Hyperbole!
Zary is nothing to this team yet. Again this is showing the split. People want to both compete now and build for the future, but what we are going to get is a consistent 15th place team that way.

I would go after Hertl way before Eichel. Hyperbole? I think Zary will be a 1 A B Center, Pelletier top six, mangiapane statistically is a first liner. Then firsts as well?

Sorry eat bread is the kind of player you win with we already shipped out Bennet because of puss poor coaches let’s not lose more guys that play without having to entice them.

I just disagree Eichel is worth it and the depth Hertl would give you with backs as third is ridiculous. Depth wins championships not first line centres. See Edmonton.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Well we will just disagree on that then. Your placing your bets on a guy going into surgery??

Sure as #### aint placing any more bets on this core! They have proven time and again they're not enough on their own. The window is 2 years at max until tough Tkachuk choices (that's if we get Gaudreau signed to an extension, otherwise it might be 1 year.)

Zary is fine but he's not going to change the results of this core in the playoffs. Ditto for any of our prospects. Someone like Eichel will. Also, using examples like Gary Roberts (returned from serious neck injury to play over 700 more games) and Chris Weidman (UFC) we can give a reasonably strong probability that Eichel will come back just as good.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Fan69

I would go after Hertl way before Eichel. Hyperbole? I think Zary will be a 1 A B Center, Pelletier top six, mangiapane statistically is a first liner. Then firsts as well?

Sure, lots of 1st liners have career highs of 32 points.

Zary might be, but it won't be this coming season or the next. Pelletier is the only one you have right there IMO.

Your depth and first line/edmonton comments continue to be absolute non sense. I am not even sure how to reply to them because they're barely coherent thoughts.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sure as #### aint placing any more bets on this core! They have proven time and again they're not enough on their own. The window is 2 years at max until tough Tkachuk choices (that's if we get Gaudreau signed to an extension, otherwise it might be 1 year.)

Zary is fine but he's not going to change the results of this core in the playoffs. Ditto for any of our prospects. Someone like Eichel will. Also, using examples like Gary Roberts (returned from serious neck injury to play over 700 more games) and Chris Weidman (UFC) we can give a reasonably strong probability that Eichel will come back just as good.

frustration I get with this core. I just believe that with our drafting( dependent on keeping our drafting) we will get better shortly the Results are only apparent this year and next moving forward.
Something is wrong with the core has been for two years. It’s put to tre to trade that issue out of the locker room or you gut it. That is what I am waiting for..

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sure, lots of 1st liners have career highs of 32 points.

Zary might be, but it won't be this coming season or the next. Pelletier is the only one you have right there IMO.

Your depth and first line/edmonton comments continue to be absolute non sense. I am not even sure how to reply to them because they're barely coherent thoughts.

Struggle with humour huh?

And yes his on ice time is first line numbers then went on to impress internationally.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Iceman57

Easy, now let's start the season 😊

Coronato
Dube
Mangiapane
Kylington
2022 1st rd pick (unprotected)
2023 1st rd pick (protected)

for

Jack Eichel
Tage Thompson
Robert Hagg
2024 2nd rd pick

I don’t think the Eichel thing is going to happen. It’s too much to have to offer and too much risk with his neck.

IMO

[stemit14]

I know I’m the one that posted the proposed trade of two unprotected first round picks earlier but can anyone think of a trade that included anything like that before? Let alone anything like that in two drafts with possible “generational talents” in them at the top? If Buffalo is asking for that for an injured eichel, it’s a ridiculous ask.

And who knows, they may only be asking for one unprotected first round pick… but any unprotected pick is a big ask. I think the reasonable trade is to put conditions/protection on picks that are tied to Eichel’s recovery and performance over the next two years to mitigate the risk from both teams. For example:

1. If eichel plays more than 50 games in 2021-2022 or if the flames make the playoffs this year, Buffalo gets the flames’ first round pick in 2022. If not, the flames get to choose if they give them a first round pick in 2022 or give them a first round pick in 2023 instead.

2. If eichel puts up more than 70 points in 2022-2023 or if the flames make it to the cup final in 2022, Buffalo gets a first round pick in either 2023 or 2024 (2023 if the flames miss the playoffs in 2022 and choose to give them their 2022 pick after this season; 2024 if the flames miss the playoffs in 2022 and choose to give them their 2023 pick after this season). If eichel does not put up more than 70 points in the 2022-2023 and the the flames don’t make the cup final in 2022, Buffalo gets a 2nd round pick in 2023 instead of the additional first round pick.

Worst case scenario for the flames: they miss the playoffs both this year and next year even though eichel puts up 70 points next year… would mean Calgary would give up two first round picks to Buffalo - either in 2022 and 2023 or in 2023 and 2024.

2nd best case scenario for the flames: they make the playoffs in both 2022 and 2023, eichel puts up just under 70 points… would mean the flames give up one first round pick in 2022 that would be between 16 and 30th overall.

Best case scenario for the flames: they make it to the cup final in 2022; eichel puts up just under 70 points in 2022-2023… would mean the flames give up one late round first round pick in 2022 (31st or 32nd overall) and a 2nd round pick in 2023.

These are complicated conditions and I may have screwed up and not accounted for some scenario but the idea is that it mitigates the risk for both teams given the uncertainty with eichel. Buffalo will hope eichel to play lots and play well but for Calgary to not succeed very much… exactly what he has done for Buffalo while he has been with them - not that it was his fault.


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[DAN0383]

This Jack Eichel obsession is very similar to the Taylor Hall lovefest last year.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I don’t think the Eichel thing is going to happen. It’s too much to have to offer and too much risk with his neck.

IMO

Probably not but no team is going to offer nothing but young talent and 1st round picks for a $10m player, salary has to go back to make it work or a third team is needed

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Iceman57

Easy, now let's start the season 😊

Coronato
Dube
Mangiapane
Kylington
2022 1st rd pick (unprotected)
2023 1st rd pick (protected)

for

Jack Eichel
Tage Thompson
Robert Hagg
2024 2nd rd pick

Leaves us about $10M over the cap

[GioforPM]

I suspect conditions like stemit has proposed are likely part of the holdup (not that they’re unreasonable). I suspect many teams’ offers have conditions and qualifications around games played post surgery.

[gvitaly]

Can a player on LTIR be traded mid season?

I almost wonder if Buffalo is going to try and time the Eichel recovery so that he is ready for the first game of the playoffs. That way they can sell him to a contender at or right before the deadline. It would be an effective use of the Kucherov/Kane loophole. I wonder if that would drive the price up, or have a contender pony up everything Buffalo wants.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by DAN0383

This Jack Eichel obsession is very similar to the Taylor Hall lovefest last year.

Fans wanting high end players to join the team?

This truly is madness!

Jokes aside, I think it’s pretty clear this team needs a significant improvement at the top of their roster. Eichel would be the biggest acquisition trade-wise since Kipper, and Iggy before him.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Fans wanting high end players to join the team?

This truly is madness!

Yeah what in the actual ####. This has Thornton 2.0 written all over it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Can a player on LTIR be traded mid season?

I almost wonder if Buffalo is going to try and time the Eichel recovery so that he is ready for the first game of the playoffs. That way they can sell him to a contender at or right before the deadline. It would be an effective use of the Kucherov/Kane loophole. I wonder if that would drive the price up, or have a contender pony up everything Buffalo wants.

That doesn't make sense. Contending teams will have the least valuable expendable assets.

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[Reggie Dunlop]

Eichel doesn't move until after his surgery, rehab and after a period of play. I think he stays with the Sabres until next off-season.