2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[MrMike]

Edmonton doesn’t need any help in creating cap problems for their team.Does throwing a match into an ongoing dumpster fire really matter?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Edmonton doesn’t need any help in creating cap problems for their team.Does throwing a match into an ongoing dumpster fire really matter?

I believe it would be more like pouring gas on it

[TheKurgan]

Assuming Montreal walks away from Kotkaniemi and takes the 1st and 3rd from the Canes would it make sense for Treliving to try and swap Monahan for the picks? Monahan is definitely an upgrade over Kotkaniemi for the Habs and doesn't cost a lot more than the offer sheet salary they would have to pay Kotkaniemi. Flames could then take those picks and put a bigger package together for Eichel.

To Montreal: Monahan
To Calgary: Canes 1st and 3rd round picks

then

To Calgary: Eichel
To Buffalo: Calgary's 1st, Canes 1st and 3rd, one of (Dube/Zary/Pelletier)

[Toonage]

If they don't match its because they don't want to pay KK the money and now they're giving up the picks obtained from the offer sheet to get Monahan who costs more than KK for several more years?

Seems unlikely.

IMO the most likely scenario is the one Friedman put out there. The Habs don't match, take the picks, turn around and use those to get Dvorak out of Arizona.

[Strange Brew]

It's not the craziest idea. Monahan only signed for 2 years. Montreal needs a center.

But they have no cap space. Seems more likely they'd deal a winger for Monahan if they have any interest at all.

[Toonage]

The only winger I could see them parting with is Drouin and the Flames don't need him.

Otherwise they'd be over the cap getting Monahan just for picks.

[Heavy Jack]

Take on Byron’s cap hit to accommodate Montreal to accept the Monahan trade which Buffalo would then have to take on (Byron was originally drafted by them) I can see a fit for sure.

Monahan for Canes 1st & 3rd + Byron

Then

Flames 1st + Canes 1st + Canes 3rd + Byron + Zary for Eichel

[Goriders]

Flames need a second line center. If they are trading monahan they’ll have to find one elsewhere somehow.

[Toonage]

When you start having to do gymnastics or shoe horn players in "to make things work" or my favorite "as a sweetener" you know its not a great foundation.

Why does Buffalo want Byron? Why do they care if he was drafted there?

Also all Buffalo gets for Eichel is Zary, an injured Byron and picks?

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

There is a good chance Monahan will never be as successful as the old Monahan again, hence the discussion to trade him

He has been going downhill for 2.5 yrs without sign of reversing. Injuries or not.

I'm going to be optimistic and assume that Mony's surgeries are all 100% successful and he starts opening night pain free. but based on how good the top line was without him (yes in garbage no playoffs time), does he even get his original spot back ever again?

if we're returning with Mony the 2nd liner going forward, what are the realistic expectations? 25 goals, 50 points? I can't imagine his ceiling being too much higher without an elite setup winger.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

I'm going to be optimistic and assume that Mony's surgeries are all 100% successful and he starts opening night pain free. but based on how good the top line was without him (yes in garbage no playoffs time), does he even get his original spot back ever again?

if we're returning with Monny the 2nd liner going forward, what are the realistic expectations? 25 goals, 50 points? I can't imagine his ceiling being too much higher without an elite setup winger.

Monny if healthy and productive playing with Johnny is likely a 60-65 point guy.

If the first line is our big 3, and Monny is relegated to the 2nd line without a offensive driver, he'll be lucky to get 15 goals and 40 points.

It was the same for Dylan Strome with Kane and without Kane.

Now I assume Johnny can play PP on the point, which mean Monny could get 1st line PP time, which would help his numbers. So 20-30-50 could be in the cards.

[Vinny01]

If all things stay the same Monahan is likely to center either Mangiapane and Coleman or Dube and Lucic as I could see Sutter liking Backlund playing with the more defensive Mangiapane-Coleman combo as a shutdown line.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

I'm going to be optimistic and assume that Mony's surgeries are all 100% successful and he starts opening night pain free. but based on how good the top line was without him (yes in garbage no playoffs time), does he even get his original spot back ever again?

if we're returning with Mony the 2nd liner going forward, what are the realistic expectations? 25 goals, 50 points? I can't imagine his ceiling being too much higher without an elite setup winger.

I believe they would try the top line from the end of the year again to start the season, though I agree it was not exactly under mid season conditions that they excelled. And I can see Monahan, Mangiapane and Coleman working well. No selite setup man, but Monahan can be a setup guy when called upon - the Gaudreau hilights showed that. And Mangiapane and Coleman are capable of gritty, hard working setups to Monahan. Now, even healthy, his point totals would drop from a couple years ago due to less ice time.

I expect to see this:

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Monahan-Coleman
Dube-Backlund-Pitlick
Lucic-Lewis-Ritchie
Gawdin/Froese

I think Dube's contract shows he is going to be given some more rope, and I think Pitlick's checking is wasted on the fourth line so I think Lucic is getting dropped to the 4th. That 4th is real Sutter line though.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If they don't match its because they don't want to pay KK the money and now they're giving up the picks obtained from the offer sheet to get Monahan who costs more than KK for several more years?

Seems unlikely.

IMO the most likely scenario is the one Friedman put out there. The Habs don't match, take the picks, turn around and use those to get Dvorak out of Arizona.

Not saying they would but Monahan has that contract because he has scored a ton of goals and points at the NHL level

KK not so much, he played at a 29 point pace

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not saying they would but Monahan has that contract because he has scored a ton of goals and points at the NHL level

KK not so much, he played at a 29 point pace

Yes, Monahan is paid accordingly. But it still doesn't help Montreal's cap situation to go get him when they cringe at paying KK less than that, even if only by $650k.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It's not the craziest idea. Monahan only signed for 2 years. Montreal needs a center.

But they have no cap space. Seems more likely they'd deal a winger for Monahan if they have any interest at all.

Don't they get 8 million of space with Weber out for the year

[Toonage]

They are $2M over the cap right now. Move Weber to LTIR and they have about $5.5M in space

Not enough to match KK, not enough to spend picks on Monahan. Enough to fit Dvorak in though.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

I'm going to be optimistic and assume that Mony's surgeries are all 100% successful and he starts opening night pain free. but based on how good the top line was without him (yes in garbage no playoffs time), does he even get his original spot back ever again?

if we're returning with Mony the 2nd liner going forward, what are the realistic expectations? 25 goals, 50 points? I can't imagine his ceiling being too much higher without an elite setup winger.

I'm intrigued by a Mangiapane-Monahan-Coleman second line. Won't be as flashy as Gaudreau-Monahan, but the league has figured that duo out already.

This would be a more "industrious" line but could work as both Mangiapane and Coleman play a faster, more up tempo game which could offset or even supplement Monahan's "slower" game. If Monahan can put together a 25 goal, 50 point campaign on the second line with these two, I think the Flames are in good shape.

Throw in a shutdown 3rd line of Dube-Backlund-Pitlick that can also score some and a 4th line "CRASH and SMASH" line of Lucic-Lewis/Gawdin-Ritchie/Lewis and it could work out.

And if the team is around a playoff spot at the deadline with all that cap space (existing and accumulated), Flames could pick up a big contract for cheap that other teams with less space wouldn't be able to.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

They are $2M over the cap right now. Move Weber to LTIR and they have about $5.5M in space

Not enough to match KK, not enough to spend picks on Monahan. Enough to fit Dvorak in though.

I see Byron is also last listed in IR and I wonder if he's bound for LTIR as well. Montreal's other issue is that Suzuki is an RFA next year.

Anyway, Montreal could include Armia as part of the package. They have too many RHS anyway (Gallagher/Anderson/Toffoli).

[Toonage]

Armia would be of interest to the Flames I assume (RHS, can play higher in the lineup if needed) but he just re-signed in Montreal and I'm always hesitant to include players like that in any fantasy proposals as it doesn't make sense to me that a team would sign the player to a long term deal then immediately move them. I guess these are extenuating circumstances though.

Regardless, keeping as much of their Cup run team intact from this point forward and adding a solid 2C and still having space seems to be the best plan for them moving forward. Plus adding Byron back to the lineup.