Re tread on an old debate when PLD was on the block from CLB . The change of scenery didn't work out so well for PLD but still over valued compared to the woeful opinions of Monahan in this thread.
I'll say this now, PLD will never be as successful as Monahan.
Re tread on an old debate when PLD was on the block from CLB . The change of scenery didn't work out so well for PLD but still over valued compared to the woeful opinions of Monahan in this thread.
I'll say this now, PLD will never be as successful as Monahan.
There is a good chance Monahan will never be as successful as the old Monahan again, hence the discussion to trade him
He has been going downhill for 2.5 yrs without sign of reversing. Injuries or not.
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I mean that is the exact season Monahan hit 82 points
Monahan has better numbers in the most recent season too
PLD has a career high of 62 and has never even been above 50 in any other season. Yet it is a knock on Monahan he might not even hit 60?
439 in 591
Vs.
179 in 280
Only on CP would fans think one guy with worse numbers is far better and no way we could have the fortune of such an amazing trade. I would trade Monahan in the right deal but that is not it...Flames need more offence not less.
People can disagree but to act like I'm the homer when the stats heavily favor Monahan seems silly to me. Most fan bases over rate but not here.
Okay first of all, I wasn’t calling you a homer. I was trying to point out that PLD is not as much of a downgrade(if at all) on Monahan as you make it out to be. Also I don’t see how a comment like “only on CP…” adds to your point. I am not a someone looking to dump on our player, and it’s too bad you interpret it that way.
As for the point argument, who would you rather have on your team Draisaitl’s 84 points in 56 games, or Barkov’s 58 points in 50 games? I know I would choose Barkov any day of the week. I am not saying that PLD is the same as Barkov, but that points don’t always tell the entire story.
Also, PLD only has 4 seasons in the NHL. His numbers are as follows:
2017-18: 82GP 20G 48P
2018-19: 82GP 27G 61P
2019-20: 70GP 18G 49P(57P pace)
2020-21: 46GP 9G 21P(37P pace)
Monahan’s first 4 seasons in the NHL:
2013-14: 75GP 22G 34P(37P pace)
2014-15: 81GP 31G 62P
2015-16: 81GP 27G 63P
2016-17: 82GP 27G 58P
Monahan’s 4th season is without a doubt better than PLD’s. I am guessing that PLD will rebound from his 4th season and return to being a 50-60 point guy. I see a lot of potential with the guy. I see enough potential to gamble that he might turn out into a number 1 center that drives play. I see a floor of a second line center. Unfortunately, that’s exactly where I see Monahan trending right now.
Again, I’m not saying Monahan is a bad player. I just want to see what the team would look like if they went in a different direction. I also don’t see you getting a much better player for Monahan at this point. I think WPG would be more hesitant of making that trade than CGY would. Finally, I was thinking PLD can be a good buy low candidate. However, I don’t think you can get him without sending another good player to WPG.
Yes, I remember that shift. It did seem like a stupid thing to do. He also had a huge fallout with Torts. Torts’ doghouse has an effect on people. He wanted out and the team wanted him out. I have no idea what happened behind closed doors as a lead up to that game and shift. I agree that it shouldn’t happen no matter what. That said, I thought he had a bunch of shifts where he is working is behind off. I thought it was a young guy’s stupid way of rebelling against the system and the situation he was in.
No opinion on PLD generally, versus Monahan or otherwise. But that said, I suspect you could find an isolated shift of almost any player where they look lost and/or dogging it. I know you could with Monahan, Gaudreau, or Tkachuk. And I like those players.
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No opinion on PLD generally, versus Monahan or otherwise. But that said, I suspect you could find an isolated shift of almost any player where they look lost and/or dogging it. I know you could with Monahan, Gaudreau, or Tkachuk. And I like those players.
You all are going on like Monahan is dying at the ripe old age of 26. He was playing through an injury. He will be a productive player again. And way better than Dubois will ever be.
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You all are going on like Monahan is dying at the ripe old age of 26. He was playing through an injury. He will be a productive player again. And way better than Dubois will ever be.
He had been injured from the half point in a season fo 3-4 seasons now? It is starting to seem like a pattern. I almost know to expect an injured Monahan after the Christmas break. Then again, I was of a similar opinion about Tanev, before last season. Right now I am concerned about a decrease in his speed, and the quickness of his release. Both looked to be injury related. I don’t know if he can regain both, and to what degree. It’s a hope for the best, but plan for the worst scenario.
I will never for the life of me understand why Monahan wasn’t shut down the last month of the season, compounded by the fact that the surgery could even remotely impact his ability to start camp on time.
It is nonsensical asset management.
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If PLD had the injury Monahan had this season, he would have pulled an Eichel and packed it in, not playing most of the season. Character matters.
Character matters, and I know the hockey world values toughing it out. I personally find it stupid. Like what was the point in Tanev playing meaninglessness games injured to finish the season? An injury also creates opportunities for players down the line up. I am not sure, but maybe giving a Bennett the opportunity, or giving Mangiapane Monahan’s PP minutes earlier developed their offensive game a bit more? Again I value Monahan’s character, and I admire his will to win. I am just worried playing injured does more damage in the long run, both to him and to the team.
PS: I get that hockey players are rarely/never 100% healthy. Some injuries, especially in the playoffs, are worth playing through. That said, each player has his own pain tolerance and I won’t criticize any player for not playing through injures.
Some injuries can be worsened by continued play, some aren’t. Saying the team risked Monahan’s health is a pretty big accusation. It’s quite possible the team determined that (a) Monahan wouldn’t get worse and (b) the team was better off with him in than without.
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Some injuries can be worsened by continued play, some aren’t. Saying the team risked Monahan’s health is a pretty big accusation. It’s quite possible the team determined that (a) Monahan wouldn’t get worse and (b) the team was better off with him in than without.
Yes, I definitely don’t have enough knowledge to accuse the team of anything. I’m not trying to point fingers here. It is just a part of hockey I don’t necessarily agree with. I’m sure the team determined that the risk of further injury is negligible/non-existent. I’m sure that the team also thought they were better with him, which in my mind speaks of the depth in the organization and the need to claw their way into a playoff spot. It’s a different argument.
I think that the body is a pretty complex machine, and playing through injuries causes it to put more stress on other joints/muscles/tendons so it can perform in the least painful/damaging way possible. An extreme example is when the Warrior’s staff cleared KD to play. We all saw how that worked out, despite some of the top experts thinking he was okay to play.
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