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Old 08-26-2021, 05:33 PM   #4021
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I would at least try to make it the Flames choice whether to give up a 2022 or 2023 pick, decision to be made on or prior to the 2022 draft day.
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Old 08-26-2021, 05:42 PM   #4022
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5 Days or Less till Jack is a flame.
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5 Days or Less till Jack is a flame.
Will you be eating a pube sandwich if this doesn't come to fruition?? Lol
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Will you be eating a pube sandwich if this doesn't come to fruition?? Lol
Pube sandwiches for all!
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Old 08-26-2021, 06:00 PM   #4025
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5 Days or Less till Jack is a flame.
Either you're setting us up for the best labour day weekend or a disaster if the LDC gets canceled as well.
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Yeah, maybe Jack Johnson.
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5 Days or Less till Jack is a flame.
Means more if there's a pube sandwich behind those words.

Maybe we can get another popular hockey personality to donate ala Aaron Ward.
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Old 08-26-2021, 10:16 PM   #4028
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We have all speculated that the flames would send a player with a cap hit around $6 million to Buffalo in exchange for eichel. I wonder if the delay in his surgery could make that less of a necessity. It would obviously mean depleting the prospect pool almost completely but what if it was something like:

Zary
Coronato
1st round pick in 2022 (top 10 protected)
2nd round pick in 2023 (becomes a 1st round pick if the flames make the playoffs in 2023)

To Calgary:
Eichel (15% retained salary)

That’s as much of an all futures deal as any team could get for a single player and it meets the asking price (equivalent of 4 first round picks). Eichel goes on LTIR. Flames get to start the season without losing a Monahan/tkachuk/backlund. It’s a big risk considering the injury and how much it would hurt the prospect base of this team which has finally become a strength. I can’t remember any recent trades that included this many 1st round picks (either previous or to come).

In order to activate eichel from LTIR, they’ll likely need to make room eventually but that could come in the form of:

a) Injuries to other players. Both Monahan and tkachuk have missed time with injuries over the last few seasons so that’s a real possibility. Tanev had a healthy season last year but he has been known to be injury-prone in the past. Same with Markstrom;

b) Having to trade someone mid-season. Monahan’s value can be improved if he plays and is 100% healthy for the first time in a while. He could be traded and be worth more by that point than he is now; or

c) Pulling a Kucherov. Whichever surgery eichel gets… they both have huge ranges of recovery periods (I’ve heard as little as 2 months to as long as 9 months). Even if he was 100% healthy after 4-5 months, the flames could have him practicing with the team for a full month or two getting him in “game shape”. He could conveniently be ready just in time for playoffs. Gaudreau, eichel, Lindholm, tkachuk, Monahan, mangiapane, backlund, Coleman, Dube, Lucic… that’s a beast of a forward lineup for the playoffs.

All of these scenarios hinge on the flames making the playoffs. I think this roster and this coach can do that if the goaltending is at least pretty solid. It makes 2021-2022 an “all in season” because players have to be traded at some point in order to fit eichel and gaudreau’s likely combined cap hit of around $17 million in 2022-2023. It might have to be tkachuk if the rumours are true that he wants to play for a US team. If so, he can be traded to recoup some of the futures lost in the eichel deal - next summer he would likely be worth at least a top prospect/1st round pick.


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Old 08-26-2021, 10:30 PM   #4029
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The Flames 1st has a lot more value if it's not lottery protected. Tons.

Even if the Flames used a 1st to acquire Eichel, and then it backfired and that 1st won the lottery, I would still be happy with the Eichel trade.
At least the Flames tried. At least they attempted to have a direction. At least Treliving had guts. At least they weren't mediocre.
With the new lotto rules a team can only move up max 10 spots. If they are a lottery team, chances are they would be in a similar position before the lottery as they were last season. Their pick will not be good enough to win the first overall.

You for sure give up lotto protection if it helps. A 3% chance if worth that gamble.
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https://bostonhockeynow.com/2021/08/...ll-interested/
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In the last week, two NHL sources close to the Eichel saga have confirmed to BHN that while things have been quiet with Eichel on the NHL trade front, there has been chatter that both Eichel and the Sabres decided they want this resolved ASAP and not let it drag into training camp.

“They’ve made it clear that it’s very much in the interest of both parties to not let this drag into training camp, the preseason, and potentially beyond,” one NHL executive told BHN this past Tuesday. “They’re starting to realize this has gotten beyond repair and a resolution ASAP benefits all involved.”
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Just when I had given up hope that anything will happen with Eichel (going anywhere), you go ahead and post this article and give me hope!
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What does that story even mean? Eichel and the Sabres want to resolve this, but it doesn't have much to do with Eichel, assuming he won't budge on the surgery issue. It requires a third party and the Sabres making a deal. I don't see how anything has changed.
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Old 08-27-2021, 09:34 AM   #4034
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What it means is that the Sabres are finally waking up to the fact that their strategy to date has been foolish. Time is their enemy and they need to get a deal done.

tl;dr the Sabres blinked
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Old 08-27-2021, 09:54 AM   #4035
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Eichel has switched agents

https://twitter.com/user/status/1431283701464408065
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Is there a way to just get notifications if Sureloss posts ? Then i do not have to read endless arguing ?
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So what does this mean?
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Probably doesn't mean too much, but Brisson is a well known veteran agent around the league with lots of contacts.

That said, Brisson has a lot of contracts in California (LA and Anaheim) and Chicago. He also represents Hanifin, who is seemingly good friends with Eichel and has vacationed with him.
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So what does this mean?
Probably means he wants a more experienced and powerful agent to help him get out of Buffalo or at least get the surgery he wants. Probably sold Eichel on a plan they have.

Brisson and Barry of CAA sports represent some big names.
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It sounds like Eichel will be back for the playoffs. My guess is that the plan would be to limp into the playoffs, and then go for it. A Sutter team infused with Eichel could do some serious damage in the playoffs. Given how weak the division is, I could see a Sutter putting a system in place that will grind out just enough games to keep the team contending for a spot before Eichel gets back.
This got me wondering if all this delay is because the team that's acquiring Eichel wants to do a Tampa and have him return conveniently just in time for the playoffs?
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