[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They are talking about it because people are taking invermectin specifically formulated for animals. They have a whole FAQ dedicated to it: https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinar...tended-animals

Doing your research should at least include looking into FDA’s position before making a judgement on what you believe that position is.

Those people are idiots. This however has nothing to do with the current argument.

[CSharp]

I'm sure bleach injections works fine for stupid people. If EVERYONE gets vaccinated, there'll be no such thing as "proof of vaccinations" or even any thoughts of vaccination passports. This thread likely wouldn't have existed. The only thing that's really stalling any free open status in our societies are the ones listening to BS on a daily basis and neglecting the facts that protecting the majority of the population is the only way out of this pandemic.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Those people are idiots. This however has nothing to do with the current argument.

It has everything to do with it, including your misquoting the FDA.

and the problem with the hype is evident to actual scientists

“The hype around ivermectin is driven by some studies where the effect size for ivermectin is frankly not credible,” Paul Garner, the coordinating editor of the Cochrane Infectious Diseases Group, says in a statement. “Careful appraisal is the cornerstone of Cochrane’s work, and with such extreme public demands for a drug to work during the pandemic, it remains vital that we hold onto our scientific principles to guide care.”
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...-19-drug-69049

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's not going to show results, let alone be approved in time for anti-vaxxers. And no, it's not "great news for the pandemic". It's not really any news at all.

As much as you want it to be, this isn't black or white - the science is not in and this still deserves to be looked at. Honestly, what are you even fighting this for?

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It has everything to do with it, including your misquoting the FDA.

and the problem with the hype is evident to actual scientists

“The hype around ivermectin is driven by some studies where the effect size for ivermectin is frankly not credible,” Paul Garner, the coordinating editor of the Cochrane Infectious Diseases Group, says in a statement. “Careful appraisal is the cornerstone of Cochrane’s work, and with such extreme public demands for a drug to work during the pandemic, it remains vital that we hold onto our scientific principles to guide care.”
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...-19-drug-69049

The FDA tweet is leading people to believe ivermectin is not a drug for human consumption - it is and has been used by humans for years. People on this forum were using it to say as much.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by VilleN

As much as you want it to be, this isn't black or white - the science is not in and this still deserves to be looked at. Honestly, what are you even fighting this for?

You are dug into your position to point of ignoring facts presented to you. He is trying to help you out of that position.

[Makarov]

I am quite surprised that anyone (let alone several people on a Calgary Flames forum) would be so emotionally invested in random tablets that treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis (thank you, Google).

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by VilleN

As much as you want it to be, this isn't black or white - the science is not in and this still deserves to be looked at. Honestly, what are you even fighting this for?

He isn't fighting the research, he s fighting your representation of it.

Suggesting this is great news for the pandemic is irresponsible.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by VilleN

As much as you want it to be, this isn't black or white - the science is not in and this still deserves to be looked at. Honestly, what are you even fighting this for?

Because until there's even a one proper study that shows a benefit to counter the numerous ones that don't, it's a dangerous distraction from vaccination. It's hydroxy all over again.

Why are you so keen on it, as opposed to remdesivir, or fluvoxamine, when the major studies have been unimpressive and only the small flawed studies have claimed success?

Read this:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ovid-boulware/

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by VilleN

The FDA tweet is leading people to believe ivermectin is not a drug for human consumption - it is and has been used by humans for years. People on this forum were using it to say as much.

Can you just stop being hopeful and accept that the there is no further research needed on Intermectin in it's current form or any derivative that could be developed, it's the only thing that will satisfy GioforPM.

[GioforPM]

BTW, data revealed earlier this month from a robust study of ivermectin and other drugs in Brazil show, according to Edward Mills of McMaster University in Canada, “no effect whatsoever on our primary outcomes” for ivermectin.

https://rethinkingclinicaltrials.org...ills-phd-frcp/

[Flamesfan74]

I’m glad that they are doing this, I know this whole thing has been hard on my kid as he misses sports. This is just one more step in trying to get our society back to a state if normalcy. Like I’ve seen a few people comment, events like this are a privilege not a right. Even the Calgary Expo is manadating masks now. I’m willing to make that sacrafice if means me not getting it and passing it in to someone that can’t fight.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He isn't fighting the research, he s fighting your representation of it.

Suggesting this is great news for the pandemic is irresponsible.

Good point, here is the full quote by the way and not GioforPM's version.

"This could potentially be great news for this pandemic"

See the difference?

"Potentially: with the capacity to develop or happen in the future"

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan74

I’m glad that they are doing this, I know this whole thing has been hard on my kid as he misses sports. This is just one more step in trying to get our society back to a state if normalcy. Like I’ve seen a few people comment, events like this are a privilege not a right. Even the Calgary Expo is manadating masks now. I’m willing to make that sacrafice if means me not getting it and passing it in to someone that can’t fight.

Nice try, it's all about Intermectin now!!!

[Knut]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

BTW, data revealed earlier this month from a robust study of ivermectin and other drugs in Brazil show, according to Edward Mills of McMaster University in Canada, “no effect whatsoever on our primary outcomes” for ivermectin.

https://rethinkingclinicaltrials.org...ills-phd-frcp/

Yeah, but is it "robust" enough ? I read about some people online that benefitted from Ivermectin. So I will go with my gut and wait for more "robust" studies to be done. Once those are done, I will move the Goalposts to big COVID holding Ivermectin down. In 3-4 Months i will move onto a different wonder drug.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Good point, here is the full quote by the way and not GioforPM's version.

"This could potentially be great news for this pandemic"

See the difference?

"Potentially: with the capacity to develop or happen in the future"

Also potentially great news for the pandemic: drinking Drano.

Actual great news for the pandemic: vaccinations are free, effective and safe.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Knut

Yeah, but is it "robust" enough ? I read about some people online that benefitted from Ivermectin. So I will go with my gut and wait for more "robust" studies to be done. Once those are done, I will move the Goalposts to big COVID holding Ivermectin down. In 3-4 Months i will move onto a different wonder drug.

3 pages from now people on here will be saying someone actually argued this

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Then leave.

I might as well ask you why you don't relinquish control over the site and save yourself the grief, if you find it so tiresome? I mean, so long as we're suggesting taking one's ball and net, and going home.

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm sticking up for my moderating team because people like yourself put them in a tough position of having to fact check everything.

"People like myself" are a problem for the mods, because we don't want malicious lies to be tolerated. The liars and trolls, though, they are not a problem. This is your argument?

You might have a point if the moderators did indeed have to fact-check, however, as you yourself admit, the community has done that for them. What value are these lying posters contributing? Do you think this thread was made better by adding in a farrago of dangerous nonsense and incoherent mutterings?

Originally Posted by Bingo

This idea, and honestly I see it in every topic on this site (edit - no, "honestly", you do not), that any one person gets to know what is right and wrong or fact or false information and that others have to act exactly as they wish is getting insane.

Straw man again. Speaking only for myself, I can respect someone who has a diametrically opposed opinion to mine on a topic, so long as that opinion is argued in good faith and has fact to support it. The lunatic fringe, though, I do not respect, but they are also welcome to their viewpoint as well so long as they do not lie in an attempt to convince others of that opinion.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

3 pages from now people on here will be saying someone actually argued this

3 pages from now someone probably will have. Just like when I predicted that the FDA Pfizer approval would soon be said to have been rushed through.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Also potentially great news for the pandemic: drinking Drano.

Actual great news for the pandemic: vaccinations are free, effective and safe.

I know you are having a hard time grasping this, we agree with this!!!!!

Guess what, the anti-vaxers don't and aren't going to get vaccinated, so if you could research something and it even made the slightest bit of difference wouldn't that be better than nothing?
Maybe Intermectin isn't the answer but guess what, when you research something your work evolves and leads to new discoveries, not researching further 100% eliminates any chance of further discoveries.
I'm not a scientist but I'm also not so naïve as to assume a positive outcome could not be derived from further research of Intermectin.
Your argument is basically that Snake venom can kill you so don't take it. Our argument is that you should do further research into it as it may lead to breakthroughs in blood clotting, pain meds, etc...