[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[Housley4Prez]

Why is it that if YOU have your jab, and are fully vaccinated, MY not having it is putting you at risk? Isn't it me who should be worried? Why so much fear of secret unvaxxed great unwashed types in the Dome that has you guys so afraid to go unless you get a sweeping ban to validate the decision that YOU made? If the thing works, shouldn't it not matter?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

Why is it that if YOU have your jab, and are fully vaccinated, MY not having it is putting you at risk? Isn't it me who should be worried? Why so much fear of secret unvaxxed great unwashed types in the Dome that has you guys so afraid to go unless you get a sweeping ban to validate the decision that YOU made? If the thing works, shouldn't it not matter?

I'm not worried about you getting me sick, I'm worried about others getting sick and then we end up with more restrictions because of clueless selfish morons like you

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I'm not worried about you getting me sick, I'm worried about others getting sick and then we end up with more restrictions because of clueless selfish morons like you

More restrictions
Delays in surgeries
More chances for the virus to mutate.
Less opportunity for us to get back to our normal lives, or something close to it.

Selfish is the right word.

[morgin]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

But when it comes to purposeful spreading of misinformation, the type that’s killing people, then I don’t really want to participate in a board where that’s not moderated at all.

Maybe they will moderate it, maybe they won’t, but it’s highly unlikely that it would be moderated real time unless a mod was in thread. In this instance Bingo was, but what about all the times there isn’t a mod. And what about topics where it’s much less clear if it’s actual misinformation? Do mods need to go extensively research, or do they rely on the loud consensus here? Is it even worth going in after the fact to “clean it up” or do you just rely on your user base to set the record straight in thread? Moderating forums where there is a rapid pace to certain topics and a relatively low viewership (compared to a Facebook or a Twitter) is just difficult. Full stop. Every forum seems to struggle with this. Also, do you think given all the rebuttals that anyone who wasn’t already looking for an excuse to latch on to the antivax movement was convinced by that poster? Seems highly unlikely and probably other than derailing the thread, not much of a long term impact. Maybe even a positive to reinforce the rebuttals for people who needed that info to help combat antivaxxers in their own lives.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

Why is it that if YOU have your jab, and are fully vaccinated, MY not having it is putting you at risk? Isn't it me who should be worried? Why so much fear of secret unvaxxed great unwashed types in the Dome that has you guys so afraid to go unless you get a sweeping ban to validate the decision that YOU made? If the thing works, shouldn't it not matter?

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

Why is it that if YOU have your jab, and are fully vaccinated, MY not having it is putting you at risk? Isn't it me who should be worried? Why so much fear of secret unvaxxed great unwashed types in the Dome that has you guys so afraid to go unless you get a sweeping ban to validate the decision that YOU made? If the thing works, shouldn't it not matter?

Do you not realize that every opportunity the virus has to spread unchecked is another opportunity for it to mutate? Hence all the variants we have. You ignorant, selfish ####er.

[TheScorpion]

Yeah, we definitely don't need to get rid of posters like this guy. Discourse like this is totally valuable to the community.

This thread is becoming ridiculous and allowing posters like Housley4Prez is a stain on the forum.

[shawnjohn]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

Why is it that if YOU have your jab, and are fully vaccinated, MY not having it is putting you at risk? Isn't it me who should be worried? Why so much fear of secret unvaxxed great unwashed types in the Dome that has you guys so afraid to go unless you get a sweeping ban to validate the decision that YOU made? If the thing works, shouldn't it not matter?

This is exactly my point.

Who the hell cares if you're vaxxed OR not. Either way you're good, right?!

I don't get pissy if someone who's vaxxed says I got the vax. Great good for you pal you're an allstar, grab your photo with the vax sign, post to FB and move the hell on and shut up.

If someone doesn't get vaxxed it should be of zero concern to anyone else.

People who are vaxxed on this board seem to think they're saving the world, trust me you're not...

If your immune system can't handle a flames game then don't go. And please don't cry if someone next to you doesn't have a vax, remember you have one so you're safe...

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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by morgin

Maybe they will moderate it, maybe they won’t, but it’s highly unlikely that it would be moderated real time unless a mod was in thread. In this instance Bingo was, but what about all the times there isn’t a mod. And what about topics where it’s much less clear if it’s actual misinformation? Do mods need to go extensively research, or do they rely on the loud consensus here? Is it even worth going in after the fact to “clean it up” or do you just rely on your user base to set the record straight in thread? Moderating forums where there is a rapid pace to certain topics and a relatively low viewership (compared to a Facebook or a Twitter) is just difficult. Full stop. Every forum seems to struggle with this. Also, do you think given all the rebuttals that anyone who wasn’t already looking for an excuse to latch on to the antivax movement was convinced by that poster? Seems highly unlikely and probably other than derailing the thread, not much of a long term impact. Maybe even a positive to reinforce the rebuttals for people who needed that info to help combat antivaxxers in their own lives.

Not looking or perfection, or for someone to go back and clean that stuff up. The guy is a clown looking for attention. It’ll pass.

My feeling is just that if, as a general rule, that sort of stuff is allowed to be here and accepted, then I dont think I will be. I don’t expect that to matter to anyone at all, just how I feel. It’s something I’m growing less and less tolerant of and I’ve always finger waved here about if you’re not having fun, bail. As I said, nothing but respect for the mods and overall I think CP is great.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by shawnjohn

This is exactly my point.

Who the hell cares if you're vaxxed OR not. Either way you're good, right?!

I don't get pissy if someone who's vaxxed says I got the vax. Great good for you pal you're an allstar, grab your photo with the vax sign, post to FB and move the hell on and shut up.

If someone doesn't get vaxxed it should be of zero concern to anyone else.

People who are vaxxed on this board seem to think they're saving the world, trust me you're not...

If your immune system can't handle a flames game then don't go. And please don't cry if someone next to you doesn't have a vax, remember you have one so you're safe...

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Have you even been paying attention?

[Yamer]

One of the things I wonder about is that anti-vaxxers want to try and present, or claim to present, from the perspective of compassion and saving people from suffering. However, they come into forum and social media threads with the arrogant bravado of "well, we'll see you in a few years when your insides melt and leak out your #######s, sheeple".

I guess I don't actually wonder about it now that I print it out.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by shawnjohn

This is exactly my point.

Who the hell cares if you're vaxxed OR not. Either way you're good, right?!

I don't get pissy if someone who's vaxxed says I got the vax. Great good for you pal you're an allstar, grab your photo with the vax sign, post to FB and move the hell on and shut up.

If someone doesn't get vaxxed it should be of zero concern to anyone else.

People who are vaxxed on this board seem to think they're saving the world, trust me you're not...

If your immune system can't handle a flames game then don't go. And please don't cry if someone next to you doesn't have a vax, remember you have one so you're safe...

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This is the purest example of self-centric thinking you can find.

Hint: the world is much more complex than whether you or I get sick, as has been demonstrated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over here and everywhere else regarding COVID-19. Please try and process that.

[morgin]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Not looking or perfection, or for someone to go back and clean that stuff up. The guy is a clown looking for attention. It’ll pass.

My feeling is just that if, as a general rule, that sort of stuff is allowed to be here and accepted, then I dont think I will be. I don’t expect that to matter to anyone at all, just how I feel. It’s something I’m growing less and less tolerant of and I’ve always finger waved here about if you’re not having fun, bail. As I said, nothing but respect for the mods and overall I think CP is great.

But it wasn’t accepted. The community loudly rejected it. I’m sure enough people have reported the posts and user that the mods will eventually take a look and see if the user is worth keeping, but that isn’t going to happen immediately I assume, it being Monday at 5pm The user’s current status isn’t determinative of whether cpuck accepts or rejects. It clearly rejected him. You’re part of that. If you saw a bunch of posters agreeing and the community seemed to accept the content, I’d understand you wanting to leave, but you just watched someone ostracize themselves in real time and your reaction is disappointment in the community. I just find that strange I guess.

[RedHot25]

I can't believe this, and have lost a lot of respect for this site today. Sorry but the defense of not doing anything makes it even worse. Just my 2 cents but plain as day in this thread.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

Conned by whom, my friend? Are you going to accuse me of getting all my information from Facebook or Instagram?

What does Dr. Robert W. Malone have to gain from warning people about the mRNA technology he was instrumental in inventing?

A brand new injection, never before approved in the history of pharmaceuticals, whipped up within hours, and rolled out with lightning speed. It doesn't prevent you from getting the disease. It doesn't prevent you from transmitting the disease. A disease with a survival rate of over 99.5%, and y'all are high fiving like we just won a world war.

We have ZERO long term data. We don't have any idea of the long-term effects.

I work in marketing for clients in this field, and have for over a decade. I've seen $9 stocks plummet to $0.09 overnight with just a dozen adverse effects reported. We're currently witnessing history, that's for sure.

They keep saying it's safe and effective. If that were the case, then why are there tens of thousands of deaths associated with it, and hundreds of thousands of serious adverse effects? We have no clue about the long term effects of this thing on our immune system, nor our reproductive system.

Very talented and serious experts in the applicable sciences are speaking out about this, but they keep getting silenced. And all of you are just happy those experts can't get into a hockey game now. Bravo.

Bigger fish to fry. Enjoy the fall/winter lockdowns. Probably a good idea to go ahead and exchange Christmas gifts now.

The ignorance and arrogance is strong in this one.

[SuperMatt18]

In the end it’s a privilege not a right to go to a Flames game.

If the Flames as an organization want to require people to get a vaccine to be able to attend their event then that’s in their own right as well.

You made a choice to not get vaccinated and there are consequences of that decision. Nothing being able to attend a hockey game is one of them, and you are owed nothing by the Flames organization.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by morgin

But it wasn’t accepted. The community loudly rejected it. I’m sure enough people have reported the posts and user that the mods will eventually take a look and see if the user is worth keeping, but that isn’t going to happen immediately I assume, it being Monday at 5pm The user’s current status isn’t determinative of whether cpuck accepts or rejects. It clearly rejected him. You’re part of that. If you saw a bunch of posters agreeing and the community seemed to accept the content, I’d understand you wanting to leave, but you just watched someone ostracize themselves in real time and your reaction is disappointment in the community. I just find that strange I guess.

Not disappointment in the community. Clearly I’m putting it wrong, so I’ll just bow out of the convo for the night.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

Why is it that if YOU have your jab, and are fully vaccinated, MY not having it is putting you at risk? Isn't it me who should be worried?

Maybe because

- Vaccinations have efficacy rates below 100%. They help immensely, but they're not a cure-all. It's analogous to someone insisting on playing full contact sports without a helmet. My having a helmet may not protect me 100%, but that doesn't mean that guy should be entitled to participate in the same sports.

- Rapidly reproducing organisms like viruses mutate. The more they mutate, the less effective vaccines become. There's a reason there's an annual flu vaccine, and that's because influenza has new dominant strains every year. The only way to reduce these mutations is to actually stop the spread of the virus. Getting vaccinated, and keeping up with whatever new shots are itroduced is the best way to get ahead of the issue.

- It's literally ****ing free for you get your jab. If you want to lose privileges like going to big events, go ahead. Don't whine about your lost priveledges. Homeless panhandlers can get an appointment to get their vaccine the minute they choose to. You have virtually no excuse.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by shawnjohn

People who are vaxxed on this board seem to think they're saving the world, trust me you're not...

Not trying to save the world, but if my getting fully vaccinated helps to free up a ICU bed for somebody who desperately need it, that's doing my small part.

[Manhattanboy]

Oh grow up people. Ignore his crap.

But to lose respect, be disappointed, and can’t believe what you are reading?

It’s one guy. Stop being snowflakes.