Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm less obsessed with the date comparison, and more focused on the cap space.

It just isn't operating procedure in Calgary to not spend to the cap.

They're not done.

Honestly it really points to the team still trying to get this Eichel domino to fall. You'd think people would be happy he's still in it?!

Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Mangiapane all due raises the following season. And I don't see much money coming off the books naturally.

Given a flat cap for another few more years, there are only a few possible outcomes:

1) Carry cap space through the year
2) Sign some more one year deals. By definition those are going to be bottom roster players IMO
3) Trade a major roster player before now and next season
4) Let Gaudreau walk at end of year

If you're acquiring Eichel, the same options apply unless you're creating cap space in the deal or including one of those guys.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Mangiapane all due raises the following season. And I don't see much money coming off the books naturally.

Given a flat cap for another few more years, there are only a few possible outcomes:

1) Carry cap space through the year
2) Sign some more one year deals. By definition those are going to be bottom roster players IMO
3) Trade a major roster player before now and next season
4) Let Gaudreau walk at end of year

If you're acquiring Eichel, the same options apply unless you're creating cap space in the deal or including one of those guys.

Brouwer’s 1.5 drops off after this year, which is nice

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Brouwer’s 1.5 drops off after this year, which is nice

Good point. We got that going for us.

Would be nice if that took care of either Tkachuk or Gaudreau's raise. Assuming they're still here.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It's Trees birthday. Maybe someone can get him turnt enough to place a call to Buffalo.

You really want him to make a deal when he's drunk? If he does, it might not be the best deal he's ever made...

[Macindoc]

Cap's going up about 1M as well IIRC.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Wouldn't you think that's some bad management then?. If you're making a franchise altering trade in grabbing Eichel, you get that done ASAP so he can get the surgery and begin recovery. The longer you wait, the more bite it has into the season and the more of an impact that lost time in the lineup has on your playoff chances. You work those RFAs around the Eichel acquisition because you have some control in that regard and squeeze where necessary. It's kind of backwards to approach?

Not if the trade they're looking at has the possibility of putting them over the summer cap overage with an arbitration loss.

Is what it is.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Mangiapane all due raises the following season. And I don't see much money coming off the books naturally.

Given a flat cap for another few more years, there are only a few possible outcomes:

1) Carry cap space through the year
2) Sign some more one year deals. By definition those are going to be bottom roster players IMO
3) Trade a major roster player before now and next season
4) Let Gaudreau walk at end of year

If you're acquiring Eichel, the same options apply unless you're creating cap space in the deal or including one of those guys.

I think if eichel is acquired while keeping tkachuk, the flames try this season with a loaded roster that includes eichel, Gaudreau, tkachuk, Lindholm, mangiapane… then possibly trade tkachuk (if he truly wants to leave) to recoup some assets from the eichel trade while saving some cap space to re-sign mangiapane and make room for gaudreau’s raise that would kick in starting in 2022.


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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Cap's going up about 1M as well IIRC.

When does the sweet jersey ad revenue flow through to the cap. If it’s committed for the 2022-23 season, will it be factored in then or the next year ?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I think if eichel is acquired while keeping tkachuk, the flames try this season with a loaded roster that includes eichel, Gaudreau, tkachuk, Lindholm, mangiapane… then possibly trade tkachuk (if he truly wants to leave) to recoup some assets from the eichel trade while saving some cap space to re-sign mangiapane and make room for gaudreau’s raise that would kick in starting in 2022.


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That is doable if Monahan heads out. Maybe Backlund's money could do it.

But yeah, you're forced to move someone else before next season.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

That is doable if Monahan heads out. Maybe Backlund's money could do it.

But yeah, you're forced to move someone else before next season.

Yeah. I’m assuming either Monahan or backlund would have to be included in the eichel trade (likely Monahan) since that’s needed to make the salary work for this season. Unless eichel is not ready to play until playoffs… in which case, the flames can possibly pull a kucherov and get to keep Monahan/backlund as well for this season. Then next offseason, the flames will have to find a way to clear cap space. Problem would be that the eichel trade would require even more picks/prospects if Monahan/backlund are not included in the package.


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[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not if the trade they're looking at has the possibility of putting them over the summer cap overage with an arbitration loss.

Is what it is.

I'm not sure why this would be a concern for the organization that has been willing to eat buy outs and pay coaches not to coach (repeatedly) to fix the GMs blunders?

I think it is safe to assume that the longer the inactivity goes on, the less likely it is that anything is done to significantly improve the roster (either Eichel or something more attainable). This is merely more of lost Treliving playing a patient game that will inevitably bite him when someone else pulls the rug out from under him.

I think we need to get used to the idea of this being the 2021 Calgary Flames, even though it doesn't look very promising.

[Monahammer]

If we could somehow acquire eichel while keeping Monahan and Tkachuk it would be glorious. Sorry Backlund but that's an easy choice imo.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

When does the sweet jersey ad revenue flow through to the cap. If it’s committed for the 2022-23 season, will it be factored in then or the next year ?

Assuming it's a big enough amount of money, it would normally be included in the revenue projection used to set the 2022-23 cap, but because of the whole escrow gap that the players owe to the owners, the extra money will just help them pay it down a little quicker.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I'm not sure why this would be a concern for the organization that has been willing to eat buy outs and pay coaches not to coach (repeatedly) to fix the GMs blunders?

I think it is safe to assume that the longer the inactivity goes on, the less likely it is that anything is done to significantly improve the roster (either Eichel or something more attainable). This is merely more of lost Treliving playing a patient game that will inevitably bite him when someone else pulls the rug out from under him.

I think we need to get used to the idea of this being the 2021 Calgary Flames, even though it doesn't look very promising.

Would be past the buy out window and is a league rule, not a team option.

Flames have never gone into a season with considerable cap space under Treliving, no reason other than just guessing the worst outcome to believe it will happen now.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If we could somehow acquire eichel while keeping Monahan and Tkachuk it would be glorious. Sorry Backlund but that's an easy choice imo.

If you're suggesting Monahan would be better suited than Backlund as the team's 3rd line center based on overall ability, effort and cap hit, you're way off.

[SportsJunky]

I was just listening to Tim & Friends from yesterday. Mike Fuda mentioned that Eichel has made it clear that he wants to go to New York. Fuda also mentioned that Kevin Adams probably doesn't want to trade him to a market that close to Buffalo.

Also interesting, Fuda mentioned two other teams that he thinks are involved in talks with Buffalo is Anaheim and Calgary.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I was just listening to Tim & Friends from yesterday. Mike Fuda mentioned that Eichel has made it clear that he wants to go to New York. Fuda also mentioned that Kevin Adams probably doesn't want to trade him to a market that close to Buffalo.

Also interesting, Fuda mentioned two other teams that he thinks are involved in talks with Buffalo is Anaheim and Calgary.

What’s really worrying about this from a Flames perspective is the “Jeff Carter to Columbus” possibility. Anaheim probably doesn’t have to worry about that scenario.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Would be past the buy out window and is a league rule, not a team option.

Flames have never gone into a season with considerable cap space under Treliving, no reason other than just guessing the worst outcome to believe it will happen now.

Well they won't have significant cap space going into the season once they sign Zadorov, Dube, Mackey, Gawdin and Valimaki anyway. That is a known unless you consider roughly $4M considerable, which it isn't these days.

Even at that rate, I'm not sure it's a forgone conclusion that the Flames would even be over the cap after a big move considering a significant, signed asset would have to be going back in any deal.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

If you're suggesting Monahan would be better suited than Backlund as the team's 3rd line center based on overall ability, effort and cap hit, you're way off.

Backlund didn't become a defensive stalwart until the back half of his 20s. Monahan has much more offensive upside and was taking big strides defensively prior to injury. I'd take Monahan any day of the week. But for the record I think he could serve as a winger in a stacked top 6 too.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I'm not sure why this would be a concern for the organization that has been willing to eat buy outs and pay coaches not to coach (repeatedly) to fix the GMs blunders?

I think it is safe to assume that the longer the inactivity goes on, the less likely it is that anything is done to significantly improve the roster (either Eichel or something more attainable). This is merely more of lost Treliving playing a patient game that will inevitably bite him when someone else pulls the rug out from under him.

I think we need to get used to the idea of this being the 2021 Calgary Flames, even though it doesn't look very promising.

The last time Treliving made a trade involving key players were June 2018 when Hamilton wanted out, so don’t hold your breath

Either he wants too much or the Flames players do not have as much value as people think