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Textcritic · 08-18-2021, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

...Did it? Outside of finishing against a hapless Canucks squad and gaining some easy points the team didn't play much different than under any of the previous coaches. They tightened up their defensive play, but then couldn't score with regularity. It became Sutter hockey, but can this team play that type of hockey for a full season? We're going to find out if the last four games of the season was more indicative of a change, or just playing against a really ####ty hockey team.

Um, yes they did. Quite a bit better, actually.

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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

The Flames, under Darryl Sutter, had the following numbers (among all NHL teams) once he took over (all were SIGNIFICANT improvements over Ward):

Offensively:

- 55.95 CF/60 (8th)
- 42.72 FF/60 (7th)
- 29.52 SF/60 (11th)
- 2.68 GF/60 (9th)
- 2.22 xGF/60 (11th)
- 26.64 SCF/60 (9th)
- 9.90 HDCF/60 (14th)

Defensively:

- 45.73 CA/60 (2nd)
- 35.01 FA/60 (2nd)
- 25.11 SA/60 (3rd)
- 2.31 GA/60 (14th)
- 1.77 xGA/60 (2nd)
- 21.65 SCA/60 (3rd)
- 7.67 HDCA/60 (1st)

Overall:

- 55.03 CF% (2nd)
- 54.96 FF% (4th)
- 54.04 SF% (8th)
- 55.58 xGF% (3rd)
- 55.17 SCF% (5th)
- 56.34 HDCF% (3rd)
- 90.80 SV% (26th)

djsFlames · 08-18-2021, 10:34 AM

It's Trees birthday. Maybe someone can get him turnt enough to place a call to Buffalo.

Strange Brew · 08-18-2021, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyceman

Is it possible that Darryl convinced Brad to give him one full season with most of this roster to turn it around?

I'd doubt it. Darryl not a status quo kind of guy. If anything he's shown he's impatient.

mikephoen · 08-18-2021, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Every year things go quiet in August. And every year, some fans freak out that this or that hasn't happened, and we here complaints like 'is this it for the team?' etc.

And every year, activity picks up again, as we approach September and training camps. And every year, this seems to surprise some people.

But every August, the whining returns.

What are these transactions you're talking about? In both of the last two seasons the most significant move Treliving has made between the first week of free agency and the start of the season was re-signing Michael Stone to 1 year deals to be the 7th/8th defenseman. In 2018 he didn't even do anything that significant that I can remember. In 2017 he signed Jagr a few games into the season.

Did I miss something?

Toonage · 08-18-2021, 10:41 AM

For Treliving its PTOs and the hand wringing that we're about to sign someone like Andy MacDonald. Some bullets are dodged, others not so much. And to be fair some do work out.

GioforPM · 08-18-2021, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think they are rolling with Vladar. They didn't trade a third to get him for him not to be the back-up.

IIRC he needs waivers to be sent down so yeah, they are keeping him up.

Bingo · 08-18-2021, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Cap space only counts if you use it. If you don't spend it, or spend it poorly, it doesn't matter.

We are getting closer and closer to the opening of training camps. 25 days left. I would hope the Flames go into camp with a solid roster and uses this time to team build and get out of the gate quickly. I would think this is the smart thing to do, but who knows anymore. All we have to do is squeak into the playoffs and then its a whole new ball game!

The exact same problems that have been holding this team back since Treliving arrived have continued to be problems. We need at least one top six player, preferably a #1 right shooting RW. We need center depth. We now need at least one top four defenseman, thanks to letting two walk for nothing in back-to-back years. We do get to hold out hope that he addressed two areas where he's been a disaster. We get to hope that he solved the coaching position (still not convinced). We get to hope he solved the starting goaltender position (wasn't great last season). He's trying, but the team is still very much in the exact same place it was before he arrived. After seven years, shouldn't he have more to show for his work than the same gaps existing and a team sliding in the standings? Shouldn't he be under a microscope by this point?

Did it? Outside of finishing against a hapless Canucks squad and gaining some easy points the team didn't play much different than under any of the previous coaches. They tightened up their defensive play, but then couldn't score with regularity. It became Sutter hockey, but can this team play that type of hockey for a full season? We're going to find out if the last four games of the season was more indicative of a change, or just playing against a really ####ty hockey team.

The Flames have spent to the cap in each of Treliving's seasons, no point in guessing that's going to change now.

And yes the team played well under Sutter. Using his WHOLE sample size and not just Vancouver games the Flames were near the top in most play driving metrics, but didn't get the goaltending to make it work.

CF% 2nd
Shot splits 8th
High danger splits 3rd
Expected goal splits 3rd

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in love with this team as it's constructed but there are signs pointing to a rebound even if they don't make the changes most of us would like.

Rollin22x · 08-18-2021, 10:48 AM

GioforPM · 08-18-2021, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mikephoen

What are these transactions you're talking about? In both of the last two seasons the most significant move Treliving has made between the first week of free agency and the start of the season was re-signing Michael Stone to 1 year deals to be the 7th/8th defenseman. In 2018 he didn't even do anything that significant that I can remember. In 2017 he signed Jagr a few games into the season.

Did I miss something?

2019 he signed Toby Reider (and Rinaldo) off a PTO. Last year it was Ritchie and Stone. Lucic was a trade that happened July 19, 2019, so a couple weeks after UFA day.

VladtheImpaler · 08-18-2021, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mikephoen

Which one?

"Certainty Of Death? Small Chance Of Success? What Are We Waitin' For?"

or

"Nobody Tosses A Dwarf!"

I was thinking of the former, but Gimli is much like Seinfeld - always relevant.

Bingo · 08-18-2021, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

2019 he signed Toby Reider (and Rinaldo) off a PTO. Last year it was Ritchie and Stone. Lucic was a trade that happened July 19, 2019, so a couple weeks after UFA day.

I'm less obsessed with the date comparison, and more focused on the cap space.

It just isn't operating procedure in Calgary to not spend to the cap.

They're not done.

Honestly it really points to the team still trying to get this Eichel domino to fall. You'd think people would be happy he's still in it?!

TOfan · 08-18-2021, 10:58 AM

I’ll be reserving judgment until A) Eichel is traded and B) if Eichel isn’t traded to the Flames and they haven’t made any other moves of note shortly afterwards.

At that point Treliving and the Flames could be critiqued for a poor offseason. Until then all this whining and complaining doesn’t add up to whole lot in my books.

morgin · 08-18-2021, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm less obsessed with the date comparison, and more focused on the cap space.

It just isn't operating procedure in Calgary to not spend to the cap.

They're not done.

Honestly it really points to the team still trying to get this Eichel domino to fall. You'd think people would be happy he's still in it?!

100%. Until he’s traded somewhere else, my optimistic assumption is that he’s coming here and it’s just taking a bit of time to get the deal done. Would way rather there be a shot still vs knowing it’s not going to happen.

GioforPM · 08-18-2021, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm less obsessed with the date comparison, and more focused on the cap space.

It just isn't operating procedure in Calgary to not spend to the cap.

They're not done.

Honestly it really points to the team still trying to get this Eichel domino to fall. You'd think people would be happy he's still in it?!

The Zadorov contract is a cap space factor, and he also has a few other non-arb RFAs to deal with. So that probably delays some moves too.

Bingo · 08-18-2021, 11:02 AM

Yeah for all we know the Eichel trade is pretty much agreed upon from a Calgary standpoint, but they're waiting another week to get the three RFAs done.

mikephoen · 08-18-2021, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm less obsessed with the date comparison, and more focused on the cap space.

It just isn't operating procedure in Calgary to not spend to the cap.

They're not done.

Honestly it really points to the team still trying to get this Eichel domino to fall. You'd think people would be happy he's still in it?!

I would assume most people still think he's in on Eichel and that is the hold up. Only problem with that is if Eichel to Calgary doesn't happen, it's going to be hard to find a workable back up plan this late.

GioforPM · 08-18-2021, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mikephoen

I would assume most people still think he's in on Eichel and that is the hold up. Only problem with that is if Eichel to Calgary doesn't happen, it's going to be hard to find a workable back up plan this late.

Well, either you are in on Eichel or giving up and going to the backup plan. Which all but one interested team (and maybe not even one team) will have to do.

I imagine Monahan’s rehab is an issue to consider from both a present roster and a trade perspective.

Textcritic · 08-18-2021, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mikephoen

I would assume most people still think he's in on Eichel and that is the hold up. Only problem with that is if Eichel to Calgary doesn't happen, it's going to be hard to find a workable back up plan this late.

Let's say that Treliving has been working on an Eichel deal for well over a month now—this thread was started on 9 July. I think it is also a pretty safe assumption that he has in that time also formulated more than just one "back up plan."

I predict that the moment Eichel gets moved, there will be a sudden spike in the trade market.

DeluxeMoustache · 08-18-2021, 11:14 AM

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/r...-trade-eichel/

Futa mentions a couple of things here. If I heard right, Eichel apparently wants to go to NYR. Buffalo probably doesn’t want to send him there.

He says Anaheim is in it. And he wouldn’t be surprised if a team like Calgary who is trying to change their chemistry is in it

Lanny_McDonald · 08-18-2021, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah for all we know the Eichel trade is pretty much agreed upon from a Calgary standpoint, but they're waiting another week to get the three RFAs done.

Wouldn't you think that's some bad management then?. If you're making a franchise altering trade in grabbing Eichel, you get that done ASAP so he can get the surgery and begin recovery. The longer you wait, the more bite it has into the season and the more of an impact that lost time in the lineup has on your playoff chances. You work those RFAs around the Eichel acquisition because you have some control in that regard and squeeze where necessary. It's kind of backwards to approach?