Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Flamesfan05]

Treliving believes you can win with good defensemen

Problem is he can’t identify good, then he ran out of time. By the time he found the starting goalie his top pairing is gone.

He never really add to the forward core except for Lindholm and it’s also maybe too late as big contract demands are coming

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't get why people that want Treliving removed hate that word so much. Guess you just start hating the guy and things get on your nerves.

Doubt anyone on this site wants a GM with no process.

Definition: "a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end."

Are we advocating the opposite? Willy nilly? No plan at all? Just pick a name and trade for him?

I think you guys think his process is flawed, but probably are glad there is a process in place.

It's because when you're being asked to "trust the process" it's a pretty good indication that the process isn't working. It might work eventually, but might not. A lot of us have been hearing that every year for the past 6-7 years and frankly this team is no better today than it was at that point.

So, no, nobody wants a GM to have no process. But this gets old pretty quick when the process appears to be stagnant.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Slava

It's because when you're being asked to "trust the process" it's a pretty good indication that the process isn't working. It might work eventually, but might not. A lot of us have been hearing that every year for the past 6-7 years and frankly this team is no better today than it was at that point.

So, no, nobody wants a GM to have no process. But this gets old pretty quick when the process appears to be stagnant.

I would suggest that amongst the group that have decided the GM should be fired, they are unlikely to be happy about anything he says. Particularly since BT really doesn't say much in his interviews of substance.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would suggest that amongst the group that have decided the GM should be fired, they are unlikely to be happy about anything he says. Particularly since BT really doesn't say much in his interviews of substance.

Yeah and that could be as well. I'm not hardcore in the "Fire BT" camp, and there are some good things he's done. But it's a results business, and the facts speak for themselves.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't get why people that want Treliving removed hate that word so much. Guess you just start hating the guy and things get on your nerves.

Doubt anyone on this site wants a GM with no process.

Definition: "a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end."

Are we advocating the opposite? Willy nilly? No plan at all? Just pick a name and trade for him?

I think you guys think his process is flawed, but probably are glad there is a process in place.

I'm not sure where I ultimately stand with Tre, but I do think he uses that term as a crutch. It covers up his inability to get things done, his lack of foresight, and some aspects which are totally outside of his control.
But he just fobs the media off as adhering to a process when in fact he's actually just coming across as reactionary.

"Anyone can take a reservation. It's the holding of the reservation that's really the most important part of the reservation."

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flame On

I'm not sure where I ultimately stand with Tre, but I do think he uses that term as a crutch. It covers up his inability to get things done, his lack of foresight, and some aspects which are totally outside of his control.

Does it?
Or it just a valid word he likes to use?

I don't think he's leaving those interviews and breathing a sigh of relief while thinking himself "whew as long as I keep using the word process no one is picking up on the fact I have no idea what I'm doing".

In my workplace the word process gets used a ton too. It's just one of those buzzwords that has taken hold.

Much ado about nothing.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not sure what you expect when almost 50% of the posters on this site are not happy with the GM's work.

I guess that means that more than 50% of the posters on this site are happy with the GM's work or don't care.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Slava

It's because when you're being asked to "trust the process" it's a pretty good indication that the process isn't working. It might work eventually, but might not. A lot of us have been hearing that every year for the past 6-7 years and frankly this team is no better today than it was at that point.

I don't think he's ever said that. It's something that posters here have created.

Originally Posted by Flame On

I'm not sure where I ultimately stand with Tre, but I do think he uses that term as a crutch. It covers up his inability to get things done, his lack of foresight, and some aspects which are totally outside of his control.
But he just fobs the media off as adhering to a process when in fact he's actually just coming across as reactionary.

"Anyone can take a reservation. It's the holding of the reservation that's really the most important part of the reservation."

This may be, though I think it's less than that - it's just a word he uses from time to time that people have latched on to. That said IMO the false context being given is that I object to is that it's part of being the "smartest man in the room", which is the opposite of how that phrase has developed (and I had to deal with Enron a lot back in the day).

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Treliving believes you can win with good defensemen

Problem is he can’t identify good, then he ran out of time. By the time he found the starting goalie his top pairing is gone.

He never really add to the forward core except for Lindholm and it’s also maybe too late as big contract demands are coming

Yeah, no question things didn't line up great. But he also went for 1B type goalies and inexperienced coaches which probably held us back a bit too. When he finally understood what he needed to do in the crease and behind the bench, that strength on defense was lost (mind you i think there are good future pieces there now).

You can build around defense and goaltending but without a gamebreaker or two up front there's no point in playing prevent hockey. You need someone that can reliably crack the scoresheet at least once a game.

Our top guys have become more streaky and less consistent, so there are a number of nights when we look just ####in anemic when it comes to scoring goals.

This is also why not getting Eichel at a potentially discounted rate is unnacceptable to me. Whichever team picks him up is undoubtedly going to help themselves. We need to be that team.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Yeah, no question things didn't line up great. But he also went for 1B type goalies and inexperienced coaches which probably held us back a bit too. When he finally understood what he needed to do in the crease and behind the bench, that strength on defense was lost (mind you i think there are good future pieces there now).

You can build around defense and goaltending but without a gamebreaker or two up front there's no point in playing prevent hockey. You need someone that can reliably crack the scoresheet at least once a game.

Our top guys have become more streaky and less consistent, so there are a number of nights when we look just ####in anemic when it comes to scoring goals.

This is also why not getting Eichel at a potentially discounted rate is unnacceptable to me. Whichever team picks him up is undoubtedly going to help themselves. We need to be that team.

Yeah he was banking on the Johnny/Monahan to carry the heavy lifting but that came to the crashing end 2 yrs ago

And here we are. Problems everywhere.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Teroy

I guess that means that more than 50% of the posters on this site are happy with the GM's work or don't care.

You would be wrong. According to this thread just under 27% of fans are happy with his work and the other 25% undecided. The largest segment of voters by far is not happy.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...82415&page=235

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Does it?
Or it just a valid word he likes to use?

I don't think he's leaving those interviews and breathing a sigh of relief while thinking himself "whew as long as I keep using the word process no one is picking up on the fact I have no idea what I'm doing".

In my workplace the word process gets used a ton too. It's just one of those buzzwords that has taken hold.

Much ado about nothing.

I imagine in your workplace, "process" has to have some defined goals, initiatives and timelines & hopefully some defined goalposts for results.
It's a valid word, but it comes with those attachments.

There is no indication BT has any if that. His process changes each season, the end goal is never any closer and people let him get by in the name of process.

I don't know your workplace, but he'd be fired if this was most leadership positions in any other industry.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I imagine in your workplace, "process" has to have some defined goals, initiatives and timelines & hopefully some defined goalposts for results.
It's a valid word, but it comes with those attachments.

There is no indication BT has any if that. His process changes each season, the end goal is never any closer and people let him get by in the name of process.

I don't know your workplace, but he'd be fired if this was most leadership positions in any other industry.

You expect him to reveal all that in a public interview? Does your workplace do that?
Are there other NHL teams currently outlining their goals, initiatives, timelines and guard-rails for their processes?

Or any professional sports teams at all?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Brad has utilized the word process multiple times, and also has multiple times spoken at great length about the steps they have taken related to many of his decisions. He waxed poetic about why Gulutzan was a good fit, why Ward was not just moved from interim to permanent as they put a lot of time in to the conversations, ensuring alignment etc. And then some tale about Sutter that just doesn’t quite jive with everything else, but some people here buy it.

To his credit, he often has done a decent job in the long winded justification of his moves.

I’ve listened, understood where he was coming from, and knew we’d just have to wait and see how they turned out

Having said that, at the end of the day, too many of the moves then simply ended up not really working out.

He strikes me as a grinder. A hard worker, just not the kind that is a consistent high achiever. He was a grinder as a player, and his previous NHL club sure wasn’t a high achieving club

I then look at guys like Yzerman and Sakic. Two leaders and champions. They know what it takes to win, because they both had really long careers, with varying levels of success, but ultimately multiple cups. They probably have a pretty good idea what it’s like in the room of a championship team vs one at other stages of development, how the leaders behave, who the real glue guys are, etc.

I see the references to the process by posters. Brad has spoken about what you have to do to build a contending or winning club. Thing is, he has not been part of one. It’s academic, and the reality is the regression that has been on display

I expect I will view him as a grinder for the foreseeable future, at least until the club achieves something of note.

Nothing much different than my vote suggests. I think he should be replaced, but he won’t. Because the reasoning and effort has been reasonable, just the results have been lacklustre.

[Icantwhisper]

He's been the GM for 7 years, they made it to the second round in his first year, in the last six they have not won a playoff series, made the playoffs 4 of those seven years, won the division once.
This is a results driven business, are these results acceptable? I would say no

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You expect him to reveal all that in a public interview? Does your workplace do that?
Are there other NHL teams currently outlining their goals, initiatives, timelines and guard-rails for their processes?

Or any professional sports teams at all?

Isn't this obvious? For most NHL teams, depending on what development stage they are at, its to challenge for the playoffs, make the playoffs, or push into cup contender status. All he has to do is talk about that. Where are the Flames in their hockey related goals after 7 years? It's not like people want him to address the annual targets of parking and hot dog revenue.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Brad has utilized the word process multiple times, and also has multiple times spoken at great length about the steps they have taken related to many of his decisions. He waxed poetic about why Gulutzan was a good fit, why Ward was not just moved from interim to permanent as they put a lot of time in to the conversations, ensuring alignment etc. And then some tale about Sutter that just doesn’t quite jive with everything else, but some people here buy it.
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it jives perectly well with the whole pandemic timeline and makes all kinds of sense...it just doesnt jive with your personal beliefs of what happened.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by transplant99

it jives perectly well with the whole pandemic timeline and makes all kinds of sense...it just doesnt jive with your personal beliefs of what happened.

Well, Treliving couldn’t be 100 percent behind both Ward and Sutter at the same time.

But that’s not the main point of the post

TL;DR:
He’s a grinder

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

He strikes me as a grinder. A hard worker, just not the kind that is a consistent high achiever. He was a grinder as a player, and his previous NHL club sure wasn’t a high achieving club.

This is why I think he makes for a great assistant GM. He works hard but doesn't have any experience working for a winning NHL organization and hasn't been able to manufacture it himself. He's likely been busting his ass for months now trying to get a deal done but other teams don't want his junk and he doesn't want other teams junk so he's kind of backed into a corner with an incomplete team, 10+ million in cap space, and nothing to spend it on. Sitting and waiting on the Sabres to trade Eichel isn't a plan as to me it's desperation.

[FanIn80]

I hope most people realize that removing the word 'process' from the Flames' lingo would really just be, in fact, another process.