Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Buff

"You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you just might find you get what you need." - Rolling Stones

Correction.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

FYI, Treliving used the process when talking about Valimaki's injury progress a few years back. If you aren't listening for it you might never notice it. Start listening for it and it feels like he says it all the time.

As for the delays, lack of moves, etc I wonder if we are looking at (to quote Pierre McGuire unfortunately) paralysis by analysis.

That’s the example to show he uses it a lot? Okay.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That’s the example to show he uses it a lot? Okay.

No, just an example of him dropping it into a random conversation. Which he does frequently. Because you (or anyone else) don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't happen or hasn't been happening for a while.

And I was referncing this

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I honestly have only heard Treliving use the word in respect of coaching hires “going through the process”.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

No, just an example of him dropping it into a random conversation. Which he does frequently. Because you (or anyone else) don't notice it doesn't mean it doesn't happen or hasn't been happening for a while.

Meh. Either way it means nothing, and especially not the context people try to use here (that he views team building as a set process).

[Bingo]

I just don't get why people that want Treliving removed hate that word so much. Guess you just start hating the guy and things get on your nerves.

Doubt anyone on this site wants a GM with no process.

Definition: "a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end."

Are we advocating the opposite? Willy nilly? No plan at all? Just pick a name and trade for him?

I think you guys think his process is flawed, but probably are glad there is a process in place.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't get why people that want Treliving removed hate that word so much. Guess you just start hating the guy and things get on your nerves.

Doubt anyone on this site wants a GM with no process.

Definition: "a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end."

Are we advocating the opposite? Willy nilly? No plan at all? Just pick a name and trade for him?

I think you guys think his process is flawed, but probably are glad there is a process in place.

You are correct.

But there is also a risk of holding onto the process too long and not resetting when you need to. Now that likely would need ownership buy-in so perhaps not a possibility for him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't get why people that want Treliving removed hate that word so much. Guess you just start hating the guy and things get on your nerves.

Doubt anyone on this site wants a GM with no process.

Definition: "a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end."

Are we advocating the opposite? Willy nilly? No plan at all? Just pick a name and trade for him?

I think you guys think his process is flawed, but probably are glad there is a process in place.

While this is all true, I think some posters have the mistaken view that Treliving has no flexibility (which is why they pretend to quote him saying "trust the process"). In reality I think he's constantly adjusted. It's not always correctly, but it's clear he's willing to change direction (acquiring Lindholm to hedge against Bennett not being a top 6 C, trading Neal, etc.)

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not all processes are created equal.

Some processes are more equal than others.

Especially where pigs involved.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't get why people that want Treliving removed hate that word so much. Guess you just start hating the guy and things get on your nerves.

Doubt anyone on this site wants a GM with no process.

Definition: "a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end."

Are we advocating the opposite? Willy nilly? No plan at all? Just pick a name and trade for him?

I think you guys think his process is flawed, but probably are glad there is a process in place.

I don't think that's quite it...I think we hear a LOT about process....but with little in the way of improvement or results and THAT is what is bugging people. If there's a decent process it should produce a decent result - at least some of the time. That has failed over and over to materialize in the view of some people and it seems to be a frustrating experience as a fan for them.

I simply expect the worst and then am pleasantly surprised with most actions because they at least meet that very low bar standard.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't get why people that want Treliving removed hate that word so much. Guess you just start hating the guy and things get on your nerves.

Doubt anyone on this site wants a GM with no process.

Definition: "a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end."

Are we advocating the opposite? Willy nilly? No plan at all? Just pick a name and trade for him?

I think you guys think his process is flawed, but probably are glad there is a process in place.

Seems to me the only people here that dislike the use of word 'process' are those that are defending the GM. His detractors like to use it because A) Brad brings it up and B) his process has yielded a single playoff series win in 7 seasons and an extremely mediocre roster that has been leapfrogged by even the Oilers.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Seems to me the only people here that dislike the use of word 'process' are those that are defending the GM. His detractors like to use it because A) Brad brings it up and B) his process has yielded a single playoff series win in 7 seasons and an extremely mediocre roster that has been leapfrogged by even the Oilers.

He really doesn't. So far I've only seen two concrete examples cited. One in respect of coach hiring and another just now in respect of medical treatment. If someone can cite an example of him saying "it's a process" in respect of building a team, please do so.

ETA: I found this, which still doesn't fit the bill IMO, because he's talking about game readiness:

“Our focus needs to be in being hungry in a lot of areas, in our preparation, in our process, and then we’ll get the result we want. But overall through 16 [games], we’re inconsistent and it’s just not good enough yet.”

What I don't see is something he talks about called "The Process".

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't get why people that want Treliving removed hate that word so much. Guess you just start hating the guy and things get on your nerves.

Doubt anyone on this site wants a GM with no process.

Definition: "a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end."

Are we advocating the opposite? Willy nilly? No plan at all? Just pick a name and trade for him?

I think you guys think his process is flawed, but probably are glad there is a process in place.

His processes don't lead anywhere. That's why people hate it. There's no end result or outcome that have you and me and fellow Flames fans saying "Oh I understand now. We really should have been patient because this was worthwhile."

It's become this lame excuse word for floating through space for 7 years.

Tweaking the edges of a flawed team isn't getting us anywhere any time soon. That's all he's done since the Hamilton trade, outside of signing Jacob Markstrom.

He's obviously tried things, but came up short. Rather than telling fans that that was part of the plan and looking disgruntled that people dare ask questions and want to know what the hell is going on, how about being honest and admitting they failed at what they were trying to do, and it didn't go as planned, and owning up to that. At least it would be honest.

You can't tell me what's happened over the past almost decade and the lack of success over that time is part of a grander plan. And yet Treliving speaks of it that way.

Maybe you have a process Brad, but your process sucks. Try a new one, and make sure it has a defined outcome that isn't us continuing to toil in the middle of the standings, not good enough to compete but not bad enough to score a top talent.

[VladtheImpaler]

A process is generally what you want. The problem with this process, at least until Sutter came aboard, is that it seemed aimless. At least now, I can tell Sutter wants a certain sort of team and we are getting guys for that team. Rightly or wrongly. Before it just seemed like NHL fantasy GM'ing - let's add this guy because he is available... Obviously, that is very superficial, but just my impression...

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Seems to me the only people here that dislike the use of word 'process' are those that are defending the GM. His detractors like to use it because A) Brad brings it up and B) his process has yielded a single playoff series win in 7 seasons and an extremely mediocre roster that has been leapfrogged by even the Oilers.

I don't think the glib fly bys are coming from Treliving supporters.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

His processes don't lead anywhere. That's why people hate it. There's no end result or outcome that have you and me and fellow Flames fans saying "Oh I understand now. We really should have been patient because this was worthwhile."

It's become this lame excuse word for floating through space for 7 years.

Tweaking the edges of a flawed team isn't getting us anywhere any time soon. That's all he's done since the Hamilton trade, outside of signing Jacob Markstrom.

He's obviously tried things, but came up short. Rather than telling fans that that was part of the plan and looking disgruntled that people dare ask questions and want to know what the hell is going on, how about being honest and admitting they failed at what they were trying to do, and it didn't go as planned, and owning up to that. At least it would be honest.

You can't tell me what's happened over the past almost decade and the lack of success over that time is part of a grander plan. And yet Treliving speaks of it that way.

Maybe you have a process Brad, but your process sucks. Try a new one, and make sure it has a defined outcome that isn't us continuing to toil in the middle of the standings, not good enough to compete but not bad enough to score a top talent.

I literally said in my post that it would make more sense to me if those that were upset with the guy felt the process was flawed, but to attack the idea that there is one seems silly.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't think the glib fly bys are coming from Treliving supporters.

I'm not sure what you expect when almost 50% of the posters on this site are not happy with the GM's work.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not sure what you expect when almost 50% of the posters on this site are not happy with the GM's work.

Something better than glib flybys perhaps?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Something better than glib flybys perhaps?

Come on. They represent a very small percentage of a large group that doesn't like the GM. It's not that big of a deal.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't get why people that want Treliving removed hate that word so much. Guess you just start hating the guy and things get on your nerves.

Doubt anyone on this site wants a GM with no process.

Definition: "a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end."

Are we advocating the opposite? Willy nilly? No plan at all? Just pick a name and trade for him?

I think you guys think his process is flawed, but probably are glad there is a process in place.

Everyone has a word or saying that they always seem to fall back on, to be quite honest.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Come on. They represent a very small percentage of a large group that doesn't like the GM. It's not that big of a deal.

Like what are you saying? 5%?

Think it's higher than you think.