[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch77

Lots of doctors here I see. From an actual doctor, one of thousands that dispute what so many here are too brainwashed to see.

I’ve been a follower of this forum forever. I’m out. The lack of understanding as to what is at stake here is appalling. To think, so called grown men would cower in fear unless others ingest an experimental vaccine, disgusting. Manage your own health, respect the choices people make for their own medical care. If you can’t handle that, YOU stay home. If you choose to take this vaccine, good for you, I’ll respect your decision, I would ask the same for you to respect mine. I have many reasons as to why I manage my health as I do, none of them are your concern.

One last note. When it becomes mandatory to take whatever the government mandates in order to participate in society that will never go away. You may agree with people being forced to take this vaccine, what about the next or the one after that? Be careful what you wish for.

https://rumble.com/vkw3wt-more-covid...-to-hear..html

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

What's appalling is how you mistake people understanding and comprehending logical, rational steps and initiatives to ensure public safety for cowering in fear.

As far as mandates to participate in society…

Does anyone force you to get a drivers license? If you don’t want a driver's license can you choose not to and have limitations as a result?

Hmmm… what’s next? A motorcycle license…? Gasp! Oh wait… yep.. you need that too.

I saw an ebike crash this week by a women who didn’t know what she was doing. Maybe they should mandate ebike licenses to ensure public safety. Gasp! Another encroachment on your civil liberties. Or not.

Try selling bankrupt logic somewhere else, we’re all stocked here.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Is this one of the worst threads in CP history?

I saw again.........

[Inglewood Jack]

Hate to see the good name of CaptainCrunch sullied like this.

[blender]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

We tend to let it go when posters attack the ideas, but not the poster.
The difference between saying "You're dumb" vs. "Your argument is dumb." The trouble is, when people pile on, they make it personal.

That's at least what we try to adhere to, try our best at least.

I understand, and I don't really expect or want CP to change because if it did it would surely lose the specific character that makes it great.

Nevertheless, attacking opinions usually just leads to arguments, whereas attacking people personally usually makes them go away.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

Hate to see the good name of CaptainCrunch sullied like this.

Agreed, he is more than capable to doing that himself.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I wonder if eventually we’ll see one of CPs deniers on the news, on a ventilator, sobbing right before they die of covid how they wish they’d taken the experimental drug, while their wife weeps in the background, wondering how she’ll pay the mortgage alone.

Guy from Arkansas never seems to do the trick in convincing these fools.

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch77

Lots of doctors here I see. From an actual doctor, one of thousands that dispute what so many here are too brainwashed to ...
https://rumble.com/vkw3wt-more-covid...-to-hear..html

Don’t hide. Tell us exactly what kind of doctor you are. What are the letters after your name, doctor?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Wow...I made it all the way through this quagmire of a thread. I deserve a medal.

I thought about making a long post discussing the nuances of all the arguments, but instead I think I'll go walk the dog. It's a better use of my time to get some exercise than to reiterate well substantiated arguments that many said so much better than myself.

I'm truly disappointed in humanity these days. I don't know when it happened, but the social contract of net public benefit seems to have been forgotten by many in the name of poorly formed arguments about personal liberty. I thought we were better than this. I was wrong, and that depresses the #### out of me.

This entire thread is like an exercise of the Trolley Problem, except that those who are choosing not to pull the lever, letting the trolley kill the group because the decision to act is unethical, are basically saying "yeah, the trolley is going to run them over, but they'll probably be fine. I've heard that 99% of people who get run over by a trolley survive."

WTF am I even reading here?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I wonder if eventually we’ll see one of CPs deniers on the news, on a ventilator, sobbing right before they die of covid how they wish they’d taken the experimental drug, while their wife weeps in the background, wondering how she’ll pay the mortgage alone.

[MoneyGuy]

Answered my own question

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch77

Lots of doctors here I see. From an actual Naturopath, one of thousands that dispute what so many here are too brainwashed to see.

fixed

[blender]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Wow...I made it all the way through this quagmire of a thread. I deserve a medal.

I thought about making a long post discussing the nuances of all the arguments, but instead I think I'll go walk the dog. It's a better use of my time to get some exercise than to reiterate well substantiated arguments that many said so much better than myself.

I'm truly disappointed in humanity these days. I don't know when it happened, but the social contract of net public benefit seems to have been forgotten by many in the name of poorly formed arguments about personal liberty. I thought we were better than this. I was wrong, and that depresses the #### out of me.

This entire thread is like an exercise of the Trolley Problem, except that those who are choosing not to pull the lever, letting the trolley kill the group because the decision to act is unethical, are basically saying "yeah, the trolley is going to run them over, but they'll probably be fine. I've heard that 99% of people who get run over by a trolley survive."

WTF am I even reading here?

I feel the same way, but I remind myself that what you see on social media is a lot of talk; what I see in real life is a different story. With the horrific fire season we are having here in BC I see countless instances of the best aspects of humanity. People are selflessly helping others, sharing their time and resources to help people that need it.

Social media is full of ####, but its not a good barometer.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by blender

I feel the same way, but I remind myself that what you see on social media is a lot of talk; what I see in real life is a different story. With the horrific fire season we are having here in BC I see countless instances of the best aspects of humanity. People are selflessly helping others, sharing their time and resources to help people that need it.

Social media is full of ####, but its not a good barometer.

Sure, but you live in Canada. I live in Florida. I have neighbors who believe the same #### in this thread. My own mother is a rabid anti-vaxxer and she's been ostracized from our lives until she decides to get a shot. For me, what I read here is a relatively good barometer.

[Monahammer]

I keep noticing that people who are taking a hardline anti-vaccine stance seem to believe that if the virus doesnt absolutely rampage society they are going to be magically vindicated and everyone will worship and praise them.

Society isn't mad at you/ denigrating you because of your take on how the virus is going to roll out in society exclusively, it's also because you're abhorrent selfish pricks. That doesn't change no matter what happens with the virus.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I wonder if eventually we’ll see one of CPs deniers on the news, on a ventilator, sobbing right before they die of covid how they wish they’d taken the experimental drug, while their wife weeps in the background, wondering how she’ll pay the mortgage alone.

Guy from Arkansas never seems to do the trick in convincing these fools.

The Pandemic has shown me a lot about people, culture, society, humanity and my place in it.

I know think of it this way. In one scene in the blockbuster Amazon movie "Greenland" our lead character and sultry daddy Gerard Butler was days away from being killed by a planet killing meteor/comet and was stopping at nothing to save himself and his family.

There is a scene where he has nearly lost all hope and as he pans over the skyline of some generic city, there are college kids drinking beer and watch the glorious light show that was taking place before their eyes. Literally watching the end of the world in all its magnificent glory.

At that moment, i said "that would be me."

Sometimes, I think that comet/meteor cannot come soon enough

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch77

Lots of doctors here I see. From an actual doctor, one of thousands that dispute what so many here are too brainwashed to see.

I’ve been a follower of this forum forever. I’m out. The lack of understanding as to what is at stake here is appalling. To think, so called grown men would cower in fear unless others ingest an experimental vaccine, disgusting. Manage your own health, respect the choices people make for their own medical care. If you can’t handle that, YOU stay home. If you choose to take this vaccine, good for you, I’ll respect your decision, I would ask the same for you to respect mine. I have many reasons as to why I manage my health as I do, none of them are your concern.

One last note. When it becomes mandatory to take whatever the government mandates in order to participate in society that will never go away. You may agree with people being forced to take this vaccine, what about the next or the one after that? Be careful what you wish for.

https://rumble.com/vkw3wt-more-covid...-to-hear..html

This forum is pretty good at accepting well researched evidence and changing its position based on said evidence. As opposed to just calling people brainwashed could you show the evidence that you are using to make your decision?

Right now you are choosing to get Covid.

This means you are choosing the known risk of death and short term complications of Covid and the unknown long term complications of Covid

Over

The known short term risks of a vaccine and unknown (but a lot of evidence suggesting it’s non existent) long term risks of a vaccine.

So given the above trade off can you walk me through the math of the risks you assign to each unknown and known variable that lead you to the decision not to get vaccinated.

Then once that exercise is complete apply the same logic to other medical interventions you are willing to use and determine if you are internally consistent.

I found the above excise useful in determining whether or not to take Astrazenica or wait for pfizer. The calculation in those cases was close because there wasn’t a 100% chance of you getting Covid so there were age / case rate cominations where waiting for Pfizer/Moderna made sense.

Run through the math, cite your sources for each factor, and make a decision. Fear of the unknown and fear of being at fault is likely making you overstate the vaccine risk and understate the Covid risk so putting the math and assumptions on paper will help.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

Fixed

[GioforPM]

It's funny how the people crying "government conspiracy" don't seem to mind stuff like Rand Paul buying shares in COVID drug treatment stock right off the bat and not disclosing it. Seeing as how it then became in his interest for people to need treatment and not prevention. Coincidentally, their first purchase of stocks in 10 years!

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/rand...us-spread.html

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Thor

Respectfully, these vaccines went through the proper trials, and we now have over a billion shots and every country's scientists following the data that has come from that.

We started looking into the covid variant in 2002, no human trials until 2020 but lots of research was done into this, not to mention the mRNA vaccine is over 10 years of research and development.

We are not just blindly injecting people with some unknown stuff, we understand well what is in them, how the body reacts, the risks associated (spoiler they are minuscule beyond absurdity.)

Vaccinations are by far the most well-researched and well-understood medical intervention in the history of medical science, we are literally standing on the shoulders of near 100 years of medical science here.

The safety of these things is not in any doubt, we have lost our way becoming a society of humans who stopped trusting in the experts and this is literally causing a pandemic to be much worse than it needed to be and give way for new variants to take hold and spread.

Can't bring myself to thank this post for one specific reason -- starting it with "Respectfully". These anti-vax, anti-science, anti-mask dumbasses are one of the main, if not the main, reason why we are still being held back from normalcy and seeing wave after wave of additional infections. Even though I'm double vaxxed, I'm concerned for my preschool daughter who is too young to take the shot. These people deserve no respect at all.

Frankly, aside from those who are actually medically unable to receive the vaccination and those who still do not qualify, like my kid, the others can just FOAD.

[AltaGuy]

There's just so many of em! These freedom-loving numbnuts. These unholy mutant offspring of Sarah Palin, the Second Amendment and faked moon landings. Precious snowflakes willing to propagate the most insane conspiracies if for just one glorious moment it allows them to feel smarter or better than the Libtards or anyone with an ounce of commonsense.

Reading this thread actually made me sad. For reals.