[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by bc-chris

here's my take.... the vaccines don't make you immune to covid - they make the symptoms less severe. i'm fully vaccinated and say i go to a game and the guy sitting beside me is covid positive and i get it from him. now, i don't get super sick or anything, however, i still have it and bring it home. my wife and daughter are severe asthmatics. my daughter is 8 - she can't get a vaccine. if she gets covid it's likely a death sentence.

our son will get the mildest of mild bugs (he'll be "off" for a a day or two then back to normal) and then our daughter catches the bug from our son - she misses 2 weeks of school. that's already happened three times. it seems like every time she catches a bug it goes right to her lungs.

i had to rush her to hospital the first time she had an asthma attack - the hospital gave her the equivalent of 32 doses of ventolin just to open her airway enough so they could then get different medicine into her lungs to counteract the asthma attack. after 3 days in hospital we were able to bring her home.

so yea - that's my fear - especially since covid attacks the respiratory system.

any policy that helps reduce the spread and severity of this virus the better.

The situation you laid out is could happen just as easy if the person sitting next to you is vaccinated or not. Vaccinated individuals can still spread Covid to you, so your best bet is to simply stay home all together given how at risk your family members are. Going to an NHL game should d be right at the bottom of your to do list.

[N-E-B]

What happens with people that can’t take the vaccine because of legitimate medical issues (like an allergy or something)? Are they just screwed?

I don’t think this policy is fair to those people. I think the easiest way to do it is to let everyone come and the people that aren’t comfortable attending can stay home. Offer deferrals to STH’s who aren’t comfortable this year.

Or even better: get vaccinated so that this isn’t even an issue.

Just my two cents.

[Macman]

I think it should be up to the individual to assess their own risk and how much they want to take, I know I do that. I won't go to a sporting event or concert and I don't expect any venue to pretend that they've created a safe environment for me.

I would be in favor of keeping masks and other safety protocols in place vs a vaccine passport. You could catch covid on the train going to a Flames game for example and all the while thinking you're going to a safe place.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

What happens with people that can’t take the vaccine because of legitimate medical issues (like an allergy or something)? Are they just screwed?

I don’t think this policy is fair to those people. I think the easiest way to do it is to let everyone come and the people that aren’t comfortable attending can stay home. Offer deferrals to STH’s who aren’t comfortable this year.

Or even better: get vaccinated so that this isn’t even an issue.

Just my two cents.

People with certain conditions are often unable to participate in everything they’d like to. And the actual number this affects (as opposed to those who claim medical reasons as they did with masks) is pretty minuscule.

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by sekimet

mRNA vaccines have been in research for over 20 years, how new is too new for you?

Weird how you are concerned about hypothetical long term side effects from a vaccine while ignoring the documented long term side effects from covid.

How many studies would convince you? There have been ~4.56 billion covid vaccine shots given worldwide with 0.023% having side effects (extrapolated from canadas data) that in itself is a huge sample worth noting. What type of study would it take to placate your fears?

Honestly I respect anyones decision to do with their own body what they like, but when those decisions put others at risk, you should not be surprised if you are excluded form aspects of society like private events etc.

Just my two cents.
(Canada's data: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...accine-safety/ )

With all of that said, It hasn't had the proper clinical trials on humans before releasing it to the masses, as the vaccine only has emergency use authorization and it's still not FDA approve. When they say only "0.023% had side effects" it clearly means short term side-effects, as they wouldn't have any long term side-effect data available. But let me know if you grow a third arm in the future.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macman

I think it should be up to the individual to assess their own risk and how much they want to take, I know I do that. I won't go to a sporting event or concert and I don't expect any venue to pretend that they've created a safe environment for me.

I would be in favor of keeping masks and other safety protocols in place vs a vaccine passport. You could catch covid on the train going to a Flames game for example and all the while thinking you're going to a safe place.

Vaccines are much more effective than masks, especially since the latter are often worn incorrectly and come in a bunch of different makes.

[Manhattanboy]

The Flames are in a tough spot. The first preseason game could turn out to be a super spreader event.

Of course I would prefer a policy similar to the Jets so I would be comfortable attending games.

I guess being offered a deferral isn’t the worst thing.

But was really looking forward to being back in the Dome.

[Northendzone]

I am assuming every sports team and event promoter in North America will be watching this.

I would also assume that there are jets sth’s meeting with lawyers tomorrow. This ain’t over yet.

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by chedder

Is it not true that unvaxxed are more likely to get it and spread it though? Higher viral load and all?

It makes no difference in terms of catching covid whether you're vaccinated or not. Being vaccinated only helps to reduce the side effects if you catch a virus.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

With all of that said, It hasn't had the proper clinical trials on humans before releasing it to the masses, as the vaccine only has emergency use authorization and it's still not FDA approve. When they say only "0.023% had side effects" it clearly means short term side-effects, as they wouldn't have any long term side-effect data available. But let me know if you grow a third arm in the future.

Over a billion people have now had both vaccine shots, with significant side effects being in the decimal percentages. The Covid vaccines could now be regarded as the safest vaccines in history just due to raw numbers. What else would further clinical trials prove?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Well yes, being fully vaccinated doesn't 100% protect you from contracting covid. It just significantly diminishes the possibility of you contracting covid...

It also substantially improves your prognosis of recovery from COVID.

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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

It makes no difference in terms of catching covid whether you're vaccinated or not. Being vaccinated only helps to reduce the side effects if you catch a virus.

No, the vaccines prevent infection as well

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

It makes no difference in terms of catching covid whether you're vaccinated or not. Being vaccinated only helps to reduce the side effects if you catch a virus.

Quit spreading that lie

Also, a new study from Imperial College London suggests that unvaccinated people are three times more likely than those who are fully vaccinated to test positive for COVID-19. Researchers also said fully vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the virus to others.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...-Delta-variant

[Macman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Vaccines are much more effective than masks, especially since the latter are often worn incorrectly and come in a bunch of different makes.

I know and I still wear masks to certain places. It's kind of a gentler machine gun so to say for the unvaccinated.

I agree with the other poster here and I said it before myself, with this many people already vaccinated and everybody knowing about it and choosing to or not to, just let it go and run it's course.

But still keep a few safety protocols in place if cases are still going up and places like schools and grocery stores even.

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Over a billion people have now had both vaccine shots, with significant side effects being in the decimal percentages. The Covid vaccines could now be regarded as the safest vaccines in history just due to raw numbers. What else would further clinical trials prove?

Great, can you provide me with the data on the long term side effects?

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Quit spreading that lie



https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...-Delta-variant

It's definitely not a lie and your random hand picked article with a "new study" doesn't change the fact anyone can catch a virus, even if they've taking a vaccine. If anything, you're the one spreading lies.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

It makes no difference in terms of catching covid whether you're vaccinated or not. Being vaccinated only helps to reduce the side effects if you catch a virus.

This is absolutely not true.

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Chances of catching it are lessened. Effects are significantly lessened if you do. This is why it makes sense.



You can still die wearing a seatbelt. But you increase your odds of living if you do.

The data on the long term effects of wearing your seatbelt is readily available

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

It's definitely not a lie and your random hand picked article with a "new study" doesn't change the fact anyone can catch a virus, even if they've taking a vaccine. If anything, you're the one spreading lies.

Anyone can catch a virus including a vaccinated person. But their chances are far far fewer. This is well established. That’s the falsehood in your statement.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...uce-risks.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02054-z

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n888

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...nfection-by-91

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/06/h...infection.html

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Chonger

The data on the long term effects of wearing your seatbelt is readily available

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The data on the immediate effects of getting COVID when not vaccinated is 2 years old.