08-11-2021, 10:53 AM
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#1841
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ped
Does closer matter? Neither team is close at this point.
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That's an individual perspective. Adding Petterson makes the center grouping much more offensively dangerous.
Losing Tkachuk hurts below the goal line granted but I for one see Petterson being a solid alternative to Eichel. A tick below a PPG in 3 years of NHL service. Needs muscle but is also 22. Getting him now is almost as good as getting Eichel now. In fact, probably better. Petterson, Monny and Backlund and Lewis as your 4 centers. Push Lindy back to RW? Yeah that's pretty good.
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08-11-2021, 10:57 AM
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#1842
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Toonage
Can Seattle still do that? They should.
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Given that Francis was fired from Carolina for being too cautious, and having seen his expansion draft performance where he essentially punted picks to keep the cap and term commitments as low as possible, and avoided almost every big name available, I just can't see it happening.
Seattle will be decent this year but it seems like Francis will be much more intent on long-term draft and develop philosophy. Pettersson is still young star that you can build around but I get the sense Francis has a timeline of when he'd like to be paying guys top money. A splashy offer-sheet move would be pretty out of character.
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08-11-2021, 10:57 AM
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#1843
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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I have no idea how Calgary is perceived versus Vancouver as far as winning is concerned. That said, Petterson has almost no control outside of a holdout, whereas Tkachuk just can accept his very high QO and go UFA afterwards.
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08-11-2021, 11:04 AM
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#1844
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
That's an individual perspective. Adding Petterson makes the center grouping much more offensively dangerous.
Losing Tkachuk hurts below the goal line granted but I for one see Petterson being a solid alternative to Eichel. A tick below a PPG in 3 years of NHL service. Needs muscle but is also 22. Getting him now is almost as good as getting Eichel now. In fact, probably better. Petterson, Monny and Backlund and Lewis as your 4 centers. Push Lindy back to RW? Yeah that's pretty good.
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Gaudreau-Petterson-Lindholm doesn't scream Sutter to me. He might want a grittier RW (maybe it's Coleman). Mangiapane with Monahan doesn't really work for me either.
I'd still try and trade Monahan (who I like BTW) and use Lindholm as a top 6 centre.
Gaudreau-Petterson-RW (obtained for Monahan)
Mangiapane-Lindholm-Coleman
Dube-Backlund-Pitlick
Lucic-Lewis-Ritchie (ouch)
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08-11-2021, 11:06 AM
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#1845
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Flames are closer than Vancouver is. Anyone want to argue otherwise?
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I'm closer to climbing mount everest than you are. Want to argue otherwise?
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08-11-2021, 11:09 AM
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#1846
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Gaudreau-Petterson-Lindholm doesn't scream Sutter to me. He might want a grittier RW (maybe it's Coleman). Mangiapane with Monahan doesn't really work for me either.
I'd still try and trade Monahan (who I like BTW) and use Lindholm as a top 6 centre.
Gaudreau-Petterson-RW (obtained for Monahan)
Mangiapane-Lindholm-Coleman
Dube-Backlund-Pitlick
Lucic-Lewis-Ritchie (ouch)
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Could go that way too.
But one high octane top line followed by a Mangiapane-Monahan-Coleman line would be amazing as well.
Either way, Petey would be a great trade option to move on from Tkachuk.
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08-11-2021, 11:16 AM
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#1847
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
I'm closer to climbing mount everest than you are. Want to argue otherwise?
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Nope! Have at er man. Deadliest tourist trap ever!
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08-11-2021, 03:19 PM
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#1848
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Franchise Player
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Some of you have completely lost it - add Pettersson to the Flames and they are substantially better than the Nucks. They are already better, with him in Vancouver.
Add him to the Flames and they are the best team in the division.
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08-11-2021, 03:26 PM
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#1849
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Some of you have completely lost it - add Pettersson to the Flames and they are substantially better than the Nucks. They are already better, with him in Vancouver.
Add him to the Flames and they are the best team in the division.
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Last time I looked, Vegas was in the Flames division again.
The team that finished tied for 1st overall last season, and that has been to at least the conference finals 3 of 4 seasons now.
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08-11-2021, 03:28 PM
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#1850
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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I would offersheet Peterssen if he would sign it. I see very little downside, the worst that happens is vancouver signs it and we can stick them with a large QO. or I guess that he comes here and sucks, but I would hope we have more faith as fans.
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08-11-2021, 03:55 PM
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#1851
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Franchise Player
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Interesting Hockey News blurb. Options with a Monahan trade :
Eichel - unlikely, as Monahan has a 10-team NTC that would probably include Buffalo.
Vegas - needs a #2 centre, would Krebs and a second be something Calgary could like, or is it too futures based for a win-now Flames?
Tarasenko - one for one hockey trade.
https://www.si.com/hockey/video/what...-monahan-trade
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08-11-2021, 03:59 PM
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#1852
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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The only way I see Monahan going out is if another Center was coming back or being acquired some other way.
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08-11-2021, 04:04 PM
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#1853
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Franchise Player
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Monahan for Tarasenko sounds awful. Can Tarasenko even play anymore? He was just left unprotected in the expansion draft. Makes me think that St. Louis knows something about his health.
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08-11-2021, 04:09 PM
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#1854
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime
Interesting Hockey News blurb. Options with a Monahan trade :
Eichel - unlikely, as Monahan has a 10-team NTC that would probably include Buffalo.
Vegas - needs a #2 centre, would Krebs and a second be something Calgary could like, or is it too futures based for a win-now Flames?
Tarasenko - one for one hockey trade.
https://www.si.com/hockey/video/what...-monahan-trade |
Didn't even remember he had a NTC. I don't see why he would ever waive to Buffalo to play in a bad team when he's playing for a new contract already. I guess you can put that Monahan plus for Eichel idea to bed.
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08-11-2021, 04:09 PM
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#1855
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Monahan to vegas for Krebs + would help with Eichel as that was part of the rumored ask from Buffalo. So it would essentially still allow for a Monahan --> Eichel Scenario.
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08-11-2021, 04:10 PM
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#1856
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saqe
Didn't even remember he had a NTC. I don't see why he would ever waive to Buffalo to play in a bad team when he's playing for a new contract already. I guess you can put that Monahan plus for Eichel idea to bed.
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Buffalo is like a 30 minute drive from his hometown.
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08-11-2021, 04:14 PM
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#1857
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Buffalo is like a 30 minute drive from his hometown.
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He's value is pretty low as it is and his contract is almost up. Why would he join a team where his linemates are probably garbage and tank his value even more? I'm sure he can spend time in his hometown after his career is over...
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08-11-2021, 04:18 PM
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#1858
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime
Interesting Hockey News blurb. Options with a Monahan trade :
Eichel - unlikely, as Monahan has a 10-team NTC that would probably include Buffalo.
Vegas - needs a #2 centre, would Krebs and a second be something Calgary could like, or is it too futures based for a win-now Flames?
Tarasenko - one for one hockey trade.
https://www.si.com/hockey/video/what...-monahan-trade |
Rather than trading for Tarasenko, they would be better off keeping Monahan. A top 6 centre is much more valuable than a top 6 winger, Tarasenko's injury history is much more worrisome than Monahan's, and the former comes at a higher cap hit and much higher salary.
Krebs is interesting, but I don't think the Flames are interested in a futures-only trade, and I don't think Vegas's cap would work after adding Monahan without subtracting someone with a similar cap hit.
If people are complaining that Treliving has not moved Monahan, this is the reason why. Unless the return makes the Flames a better team, trading him would be poor asset management.
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08-11-2021, 04:21 PM
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#1859
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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I doubt it will happen but if I could see the following that would be great
To Ott: Monahan
To CGY: C.Brown, Brannstrom, 2nd
To CGY: Eichel+Kyrou
To St.L: Tkachuk
To Buffalo: Flames 1st, Blues 1st, Valimaki, Dube, Neighbors
Flames sign Vatanen as UFA
Gaudreau-Eichel-Kyrou
Mangiapane-Lindholm-Coleman
Lucic-Backlund-Brown
Lewis+Pitlick+Rookie+Ritchie in some mix
Hanifin-Tanev
Zadorov-Andersson
Brannstrom-Vatanen
Mackey-Kylington
Markstrom
Vlader
That would be a pretty epic shakeup of the core with Tkachuk, Monahan,
Gio out. Kyrou and Brannstrom help ease the loss of Dube and Valimaki, Flames have no 1st in 22 but would have 3 2nd round picks.
There is also the option of sending one of Pelletier, Zary or Coronato instead of Dube and the forward lines look even more deadly with Lucic sliding down to the 4th line and Dube-Backlund-Brown making up the third line
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08-11-2021, 04:37 PM
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#1860
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Last time I looked, Vegas was in the Flames division again.
The team that finished tied for 1st overall last season, and that has been to at least the conference finals 3 of 4 seasons now.
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Yes, and if you add Pettersson to the Flames, they are better than Vegas.
Tkachuk - Pettersson - Lindholm
Gaudreau - Monahan - Coleman
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - Lewis - Pitlick
is insanely good. And our goaltending is better than theirs now. They still have better defense though.
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