Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sure, except he said that the info “told him” two things. It didn’t. And I could guess a whole bunch of possible things other than the two conclusions reached there.

Fair enough

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

To my mind they have already messed this up, he now has them by the balls, they are going to have to pay some thing silly to stop him walking or try to move him at the trade deadline to one of his teams who will also have the team by the balls. We could very well lose him for nothing which would be a disaster but then as a flames fans we are all used to that.

Good observation; Hopefully Johnny sincerely wants to be a Flame. I think it goes deeper especially if MT is not happy and then you have Flames trying to move Monahan. It doesn't bode well for the Flames/team not being able to get anything done sooner around these guys. Buffalo asking for the farm just makes the situation a lot more difficult. I believe the Flames should consider putting MT on the market and look at offers from around the league.

MT shouldn't be able to dictate where he wants to go at this point, and the If the Flames consider retaining hopefully they can get a decent coveted player + draft picks.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Good observation; Hopefully Johnny sincerely wants to be a Flame. I think it goes deeper especially if MT is not happy and then you have Flames trying to move Monahan. It doesn't bode well for the Flames/team not being able to get anything done sooner around these guys. Buffalo asking for the farm just makes the situation a lot more difficult. I believe the Flames should consider putting MT on the market and look at offers from around the league.

MT shouldn't be able to dictate where he wants to go at this point, and the If the Flames consider retaining hopefully they can get a decent coveted player + draft picks.

Totally agree.

I think Tkachuk is great, and am hoping that fences can be mended. IF they cannot however, I certainly would not be restricting the destination to St.Louis - for a player with the potential of Tkachuk, you need to cast a wide net and get offers playing against one another.

There is a chance Johnny wants to have a better season to negotiate upon...probably not similar, but companies valuations are based on a 3-5 average and not a single year...

I'd definitely prefer getting these issues sorted out before the season starts, otherwise they have the potential to become a distraction.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Totally agree.

I think Tkachuk is great, and am hoping that fences can be mended. IF they cannot however, I certainly would not be restricting the destination to St.Louis - for a player with the potential of Tkachuk, you need to cast a wide net and get offers playing against one another.

There is a chance Johnny wants to have a better season to negotiate upon...probably not similar, but companies valuations are based on a 3-5 average and not a single year...

I'd definitely prefer getting these issues sorted out before the season starts, otherwise they have the potential to become a distraction.

The problem is that if it's true that Tkachuk wants to play in St Louis, and the rumours are out there, no other teams GM is going to give full value to the Flames in a trade knowing Tkachuk's is 2 years away from UFA status and they'd lose him to St Louis at that time for nothing.

[Robbob]

I'm not worried with Gaudreau, it is just as likely that it is a done deal and will announce it when he returns to Calgary. The islanders also are rumoured to have players signed but not announced. When I will start worrying is when camp opens and nothing is announced, so we don't get that dreaded "don't want to negotiate during the season as it is a distraction" coming from the agent.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

The problem is that if it's true that Tkachuk wants to play in St Louis, and the rumours are out there, no other teams GM is going to give full value to the Flames in a trade knowing Tkachuk's is 2 years away from UFA status and they'd lose him to St Louis at that time for nothing.

While that is true to a degree, I think that question is whether it is 'really' true or simply 'preferred'

Most Cities, if you have money, have pretty nice areas and a pretty decent lifestyle...

Like any potential trade, if you are interested, the hope is that you can reach out to the player (either officially or through back channels) to determine whether they are amenable to signing long term.

Pretty much every player in the NHL has a 'preferred' playing destination - and I'd guess that the majority are not on that team.

I don't think you can limit teams, regardless of the talk of a preferred destination, because you aren't seeing what other teams might be willing to offer.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Sure if he gets new linemates

But if he goes to the Flames and want to be paid like a 99pt scorer, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is leaving as a UFA.

How much do you think a 99pt scorer is worth? 10M minimum?

Who said 10M? I am thinking the 7-8 a few posters are complaining about.

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Who said 10M? I am thinking the 7-8 a few posters are complaining about.

The problem is that his agent is going to try to use that rediculas contract up north and a closer to home one in MT. He will know that at a minimum the Flames are going to have to pay MT 9m to keep him. So the starting point in his calculations is 9m which he will not go under then you work your way up using the 99 point season and how much better than MT he is. He is probably asking 10m and in no rush to sign anything, I would be waiting until end of next season, he will know the Flames will be desperate and desperate teams make stupid offers. If not he walks as a UFA to wherever he wants. He now has total control of the situation. MT is in the same situation just a couple of years behind, the team and the GM have totally messed this up and it’s going to cost them big one way or another.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

The problem is that his agent is going to try to use that rediculas contract up north and a closer to home one in MT. He will know that at a minimum the Flames are going to have to pay MT 9m to keep him. So the starting point in his calculations is 9m which he will not go under then you work your way up using the 99 point season and how much better than MT he is. He is probably asking 10m and in no rush to sign anything, I would be waiting until end of next season, he will know the Flames will be desperate and desperate teams make stupid offers. If not he walks as a UFA to wherever he wants. He now has total control of the situation. MT is in the same situation just a couple of years behind, the team and the GM have totally messed this up and it’s going to cost them big one way or another.

This is the exct reason why I wanted JG traded before the NTC kicked in, if they couldn't agree on an extension. Now I don't know if they have an extension in place ready to be announced, but if not, we are right back to the same situation we had with Iggy and we are stuck between a rubbish return or no return at all.
Personally I would rather keep MT than JG.

[FlamesAddiction]

Other than a gross overpayment, what incentive does JG really have to sign a long term extension? The team hasn't done anything lately nor has it improved on paper since last season. I am sure if the Flames throw enough money at him, he will re-sign, but what's the use at that point. It won't help build a winner.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Other than a gross overpayment, what incentive does JG really have to sign a long term extension? The team hasn't done anything lately nor has it improved on paper since last season. I am sure if the Flames throw enough money at him, he will re-sign, but what's the use at that point. It won't help build a winner.

Term is a hedge against injury or a downward trajectory in his play. If all players were confident about those two things, they’d always sacrifice term to a larger annual salary.

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by UKflames

This is the exct reason why I wanted JG traded before the NTC kicked in, if they couldn't agree on an extension. Now I don't know if they have an extension in place ready to be announced, but if not, we are right back to the same situation we had with Iggy and we are stuck between a rubbish return or no return at all.
Personally I would rather keep MT than JG.

You are right the team waited far to long to trade Iggy and I fear the same thing has happened with JG. I was all for trying to keep MT until he threw a childish tantrum last season. Needs to go because I am not paying 9m for nonsense like that.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

You are right the team waited far to long to trade Iggy and I fear the same thing has happened with JG. I was all for trying to keep MT until he threw a childish tantrum last season. Needs to go because I am not paying 9m for nonsense like that.

Murray Edwards? Is this you?

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Other than a gross overpayment, what incentive does JG really have to sign a long term extension? The team hasn't done anything lately nor has it improved on paper since last season. I am sure if the Flames throw enough money at him, he will re-sign, but what's the use at that point. It won't help build a winner.

Even if you take the overpayment out and just say he gets 7 x 8 or something who has 8M in cap space to make this happen?

[the_only_turek_fan]

Philly, Boston, NYR, all have spent up to the cap. Maybe Seattle?

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Philly, Boston, NYR, all have spent up to the cap. Maybe Seattle?

That’s kinda what I am saying we have left it too late for this season, even at the trade deadline it will be difficult to find a dance partner with one of JG chosen few, let alone get a good return. So you are left with signing him and hope you can get him for something realistic or he walks at UFA time. I cannot believe that the GM did not try to get this sorted but either he is asking too much or he is going to wait to see what UFA offers he gets, either way Calgary is stuffed.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

That’s kinda what I am saying we have left it too late for this season, even at the trade deadline it will be difficult to find a dance partner with one of JG chosen few, let alone get a good return. So you are left with signing him and hope you can get him for something realistic or he walks at UFA time. I cannot believe that the GM did not try to get this sorted but either he is asking too much or he is going to wait to see what UFA offers he gets, either way Calgary is stuffed.

I would hope, and speculate, that very real discussions with Johnny had occurred and Tre is comfortable with being able to get him resigned. I expect we see him resigned before puck drop this season.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I still think there is a Gaudreau contract in the bag. With Coleman signing here, and he saying he spoke with Gaudreau about Calgary and the Flames' organization, I would assume the conversation about the future of the lineup came up. There is no way that Gaudreau tells a friend to sign in Calgary just to pull the plug a month or two later. I have no doubt that Treliving is trying to get a couple of deals done which could impact Gaudreau's contract, so those may be the holdup. There does come a time where Treliving is going to have to acknowledge that the deals just may not happen and to get the Gaudreau contract done and move on. He really needs to eliminate all distractions and have this team focused and ready for business the first day of camp. Another media circus will only hurt this team. Get Gaudreau signed. Get Tkachuk moved. Get the other pieces in town and ready to get out of the gate fast. Just have this team ready to play when the bell rings for the first time three or four years.

[Robbob]

Yeah, maybe it is even Johnny who wants to announce the signing when he is in town, just so he can look at Francis straight in the eye.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

That’s kinda what I am saying we have left it too late for this season, even at the trade deadline it will be difficult to find a dance partner with one of JG chosen few, let alone get a good return. So you are left with signing him and hope you can get him for something realistic or he walks at UFA time. I cannot believe that the GM did not try to get this sorted but either he is asking too much or he is going to wait to see what UFA offers he gets, either way Calgary is stuffed.

You seem to be catastrophizing the Gaudreau contract situation with zero first hand knowledge. I find it extremely hard to believe the Flames management doesn’t have a handle on what Gaudreau’s desire to stay with the team is and what his next contract is going to look like. I would imagine that the two parties started discussing this month’s ago, probably even last offseason.

Suggesting Treliving has been asleep at the wheel is a lazy take. Why would he have been? Is there a single logical reason why he wouldn’t have, at minimum, ‘get this sorted out’ as you put it? Even from a self serving point of view, what good could that have possibly done for Treliving? That would basically be like you showing up to work one day and just saying ‘yeah, that big deliverable I’m responsible for, I’m just not going to do that and I’m going to let the project implode’. I suppose if you’re intentionally trying to get fired that might make sense. You’re reputation would take a massive hit as well, so it’s kind of like career suicide. Good luck getting hired again in your profession. If an individual were to do this, regardless of their profession, they should probably seek out counselling.

Do you honestly believe this is what Treliving has done/is doing?