Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by hillspeak

I personally am not a fan have trading the farm for Jack Eichel or trading for him at all. There are so many 'what if's with Jack. He could get here and within who knows how long he is going to his agent asking him to get him back to a US based team. Jack also has a No Move Clause starting next year.Then we will be trading him at a loss to one another team.


Jack could come here and maybe add a few more points in the standings, but he certainly has not shown that he can carry or be not be a dominant player like McDavid, MacKinnon, Crosby or Ovi and single handedly almost bring a team into playoff land.

The First Rounders taht we may be giving up to get Jack and if the current team plays like they did this past season, those 1st round picks may be top 3 picks. Reference San Jose Sharks and Ottawa Senators Erik Karlsson Trade. In that case you are giving a couple potential 'Eichels' and other prospects to get an injured Jack Eichel for maybe a few years.

Keep the current core and start to 'retool' the right way through development and good scouting.

Eichel may not be on a level with those players. However, McDavid has won exactly one PO series, 5 years ago, and his team has missed the POs more often than not. Mackinnon has been in the league 8 years and has made it to the second round only a couple times. Ovi’s team has had very uneven results in the POs and it took him 13 seasons to win a cup.

It’s a team game. The hope is that Eichel puts the team over the top, not that he carries them per se.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Mattman

I hope Brad made his offer and plans on sticking with it. The Flames will be the same team with (recovery time) or without Eichel come October. A trade for him only makes them better when he's back to 100%.

I'd be happy to let him recover for the rewards that it will potentially reap.

Being a bottom seed with Eichel coming back into the fold in Feb or March would set us up for a classic Sutter run.

[dissentowner]

Isn't this done yet...

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Isn't this done yet...

It feels pretty done to me, tbh. No smoke = no fire. Time to focus on camp, with maybe another classic Tree overpaid depth signing or two.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Eichel may not be on a level with those players. However, McDavid has won exactly one PO series, 5 years ago, and his team has missed the POs more often than not. Mackinnon has been in the league 8 years and has made it to the second round only a couple times. Ovi’s team has had very uneven results in the POs and it took him 13 seasons to win a cup.

It’s a team game. The hope is that Eichel puts the team over the top, not that he carries them per se.

He might have to if we send all our current top forwards and prospects the other way.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

And an opportunity for prime ice time that he might not get in another destination. He has to realize his stock for his next contract is plummeting.

Yet somehow posters think he's going to be the centerpiece in an Eichel deal.

Buffalo has zero reason to want Monahan other than maybe he plays center, not very well.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Yet somehow posters think he's going to be the centerpiece in an Eichel deal.

Buffalo has zero reason to want Monahan other than maybe he plays center, not very well.

They’d probably rather have Backlund. But I’m sure the ask is Lindholm.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Yet somehow posters think he's going to be the centerpiece in an Eichel deal.

Buffalo has zero reason to want Monahan other than maybe he plays center, not very well.

That's why they should do a three-way deal. Take the assets a third team (eg. Boston) would give Calgary for Monahan and re-route them to Buffalo.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Isn't this done yet...

No. As reported, it will happen at 4:51.

[doncherry]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

No. As reported, it will happen at 4:51.

So, April fifty-first?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Yet somehow posters think he's going to be the centerpiece in an Eichel deal.



Buffalo has zero reason to want Monahan other than maybe he plays center, not very well.

Ugh. Just stop it. Monahan had a rough year, but he is not junk. The Sabres still need actual players to play, and with one year left on his deal after this one they could still recoup a bunch of assets by moving him at the TD or in the offseason.

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[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Ugh. Just stop it. Monahan had a rough year, but he is not junk. The Sabres still need actual players to play, and with one year left on his deal after this one they could still recoup a bunch of assets by moving him at the TD or in the offseason.

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Let's trade our franchise player for a player we plan on dealing at the deadline. Okay.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Let's trade our franchise player for a player we plan on dealing at the deadline. Okay.

Buffalo wants futures.

Monahan + a boatload of futures makes sense.

Monahan can be turned into even more futures. They still need to ice a team.

[djsFlames]

I'm not bothered by shipping out prospects as long as they don't include Pelletier and Coronato.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Let's trade our franchise player for a player we plan on dealing at the deadline. Okay.

So what’s Buffalo going to do? Wait Jack out? Force that franchise player into a decision medically where he wants something different just so he can play. Not only would he now be miserable and disengaged but his value will continue to diminish. Or maybe Eichel believes so passionately about the two surgeries and the cross roads that he also stands ground and sits out?? Again value here will continue to diminish. Teams realize Buffalo is in between a rock and a hard place right now and it’s only getting worse as time ticks away here.

Also it’s hilarious the take on Monahan at the moment from some here it gets tough to read… the guy isn’t just a throw in or our spare pickings, he’s been a top Center for some time and while he’s arguably been playing in a position that’s above his weight class there has been times when Mony has punch at that weight class. He’s actually a perfect piece to have coming back if the Sabres plan to go scorched earth because you still need leadership and players who’ve been in top positions before to bring along the youth, Monahan could provide that in spades no problem.

From what I can tell based on league noise there really is no chance for Eichel to be traded to an eastern rival barring a massive overpayment from said eastern rival. It also sounds like the western teams really aren’t willing to meet the demands being requested so at this point I think the door is wide open and I’m happy Treliving - if he is involved - is taking his time to get a good deal.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'm not bothered by shipping out prospects as long as they don't include Pelletier and Coronato.

After Zary, we have no prospects that give the value required to get an Eichel.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see a Dube-Boltman-Kuznetzov-first like trade but wouldn’t get my hopes up if it comes to fruition.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'm not bothered by shipping out prospects as long as they don't include Pelletier and Coronato.

Totally where I’m at as well. The Coronato pick screams to be a steal for me, his skill and hockey IQ are of the charts and he’s a legit shooter so to add to that he’s a RH shot that can play all forward positions and it’s just someone that we can’t be looking to deal so soon. Pelletier to me is a Swiss Army knife type player and someone who can step in as soon as this year and we will need a player like that. After that it would be tough to see a guy like Zary go or one of the upcoming 1sts but in the pursuit of becoming a better team it’s a worthy price to pay in the right situation.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MrMike

After Zary, we have no prospects that give the value required to get an Eichel...

Coronato is probably the Flames top prospect. At worst I think he is probably on the same level with Zary, so he would definitely have the necessary value to be a centerpiece in an Eichel deal.

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[Hackey]

The issue I see with these trade proposals is that they are from Flames fan perspectives where you're trying to determine if the value is correct while ignoring what Buffalo would actually want. We're talking about their franchise player who is a top 10-20 player in the league and is only 24.

If you're selling your car you want cash or at worst an equal value car. You don't want 4 motorcycles.

The Sabres would be better off dealing with a team and getting a one for one top prospect back then getting Monahan and couple average extra pieces.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The issue I see with these trade proposals is that they are from Flames fan perspectives where you're trying to determine if the value is correct while ignoring what Buffalo would actually want. We're talking about their franchise player who is a top 10-20 player in the league and is only 24.

If you're selling your car you want cash or at worst an equal value car. You don't want 4 motorcycles.

The Sabres would be better off dealing with a team and getting a one for one top prospect back then getting Monahan and couple average extra pieces.

Sure but the Sabres aren't exactly dealing from a position of strength here.

They've got a disgruntled star who wants out, and not only that but he's damaged goods with a massive cap hit and contract that comes with him.