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Old 08-04-2021, 10:49 AM   #2481
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Dont we usually wait for the rookie camp to finish?


I mean I am also willing to do it without the rookie camp in mind.
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But who knows, maybe the Flames miss out on Eichel and we keep the core in tact and go in win the Cup next season.

All signs indicate we're right on that trajectory with this core!
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Old 08-04-2021, 10:53 AM   #2483
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I vote for starting the prospects rankings now!
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Old 08-04-2021, 10:54 AM   #2484
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Don't you usually start the prospects ranking thing by now? That would give people something else to argue over.
Thanks for the reminder.

I'll get the pre-topic up soon (where we can argue over who should be included)
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Might as well vote on them before some are traded away.
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Old 08-04-2021, 10:58 AM   #2486
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Let me also preemptively say you all are going to vote the goalies too high!
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Personally I would like to keep the Gaudreau contract extension and the Eichel dream as separate threads.

Could someone separate these topics? Not sure why they got mixed together.

Anyone have an update on the Gaudreau situation?
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Dont we usually wait for the rookie camp to finish?


I mean I am also willing to do it without the rookie camp in mind.
Is there a rookie camp this year?
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I can't believe this is 124 pages now without any real news!

Every day I skim through it and see the same trade proposals and arguments about cap space and injuries.
53 days until the first pre-season game for the Flames. Rookie camps around the league seem to open around September 15th, and training camps on/around September 22nd.

Seven weeks until training camps open? You have to think that the timeline for an Eichel trade is within the next two weeks, as the most aggressive rehab timelines have him at 6 weeks to recover from surgery before he can get going. I'll be surprised if we don't have a trade done here in the next 10 days.
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Old 08-04-2021, 11:06 AM   #2490
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Dont we usually wait for the rookie camp to finish?


I mean I am also willing to do it without the rookie camp in mind.
Are they even having a rookie camp this year? I haven't heard anything about one.

Even if there is one, the US and European players might not be able to attend because of the travel restrictions. Plus, the European seasons are starting to get under way and the College players will be getting ready to start classes soon. So, that would likely rule out the Flames' top-two picks in this year's draft.
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You know? I think I've made this exact same mistake in the past, thinking that Reilly Smith is a centre.

That's true. Lindholm is greatly superior regardless of position. I was just thinking that if Buffalo doesn't like Calgary's prospects and young players as much as Vegas', they might want a better established player to flip for more assets. That's what I meant when I said Tkachuk or Lindholm in the Smith slot. Can you imagine what Buffalo could get for Eichel if they got Tkachuk + from Calgary for Eichel and then flipped Tkachuk to St. Louis?

Who knows? I wish someone would give us some idea of what Buffalo wants from Calgary.

(Of course, if Buffalo is getting Tkachuk instead of Smith, the other three assets coming from Calgary would surely have to be much less.)
It's like people here haven't looked at BUF's depth chart. Areas of most need:

1. Goalie
- Ukko Pekko Luukkonen is a fun to say/hard to spell promising 22yo, but not a sure thing (AHL numbers = bad)
- Devon Levi - 19 yo 7th rounder who has popped like Wolf

I think they'd love a young NHL ready goalie. Vladar is about to turn 24 and fits the bill. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Tree acquired him with this in mind as a possibility, and if BUF's signing of Anderson also considered this (that most teams trading an NHL ready goalie would need to find a backup, which is becoming slim pickings.

2. RHD
They are well set on the left with Dahlin & Power (not sure if either really plays off-side?), and several young LH depth D like Bryson, Samuelsson (2018 32OA), Ryan Johnson (2019 31OA in the NCAA) and a couple pending UFAs in Butcher/Hagg for this year.

The right side is more sparse with pending UFAs C Miller and Pysyk, and 22 yo Jokiharju who should be a solid middle pairing guy. Otherwise, just a few longshots in the system.

Tanev could make some sense as partner for their shiny toys, but I think more likely they'd seek Andersson and his 5 years of remaining term.


3. Top 6 C

Hopeful 1C - 20 yo Cozens
Hopeful 2C - 22 Mittelstadt

They could certainly use another round in the chamber, but IMO the best way they will find that is a '22 or '23 pick. Nobody is adding much to any high certainty + high upside prospect. I imagine Zary would interest them as much as any other Flames forward/F prospect.

BUF is loaded with winger prospects. I'm sure they'd love a Mangi/Dubé, but not at the expense of filling other needs.


Andersson+Vladar+ Cond. 1st* +Zary** for Eichel + Anderson (or we sign Dubnyk, etc.)


* If the CGY pick is #1-3, BUF receives CGY's 3rd rd pick that year and defers the 1st to the following year
If the pick is #4-10, BUF receives the pick, but sends CGY it's 2nd rd pick
If the pick is #11-16, BUF receives the pick
If the pick is #17-24, BUF receives the pick and CGY's 3rd that year
If the pick is #25-32, BUF has the option to receive CGY's 3rd and defer the pick
- all of these conditions apply in perpetuity until the 1st is transferred

**I'd much rather include Pelletier, but not a hill to die on
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I can't believe this is 124 pages now without any real news!

Every day I skim through it and see the same trade proposals and arguments about cap space and injuries.
Only 42 long pages!
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FWIW - I don't think Monahan would decline a trade to Buffalo. Covid dependant obviously - but 90 minute drive from his hometown to Buffalo
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FWIW - I don't think Monahan would decline a trade to Buffalo. Covid dependant obviously - but 90 minute drive from his hometown to Buffalo
And an opportunity for prime ice time that he might not get in another destination. He has to realize his stock for his next contract is plummeting.
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And an opportunity for prime ice time that he might not get in another destination. He has to realize his stock for his next contract is plummeting.
After seeing Hall tank there I don't think I would want to go to Buffalo to revitalize a career...
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And an opportunity for prime ice time that he might not get in another destination. He has to realize his stock for his next contract is plummeting.
Especially if he frequents this site.
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Especially if he frequents this site.
Since not one of us pays NHL salaries and negotiates player movement then I wouldn't put any stock at all in how informative this place is about actual player valuations; Monahan undoubtedly knows this as well.
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I personally am not a fan have trading the farm for Jack Eichel or trading for him at all. There are so many 'what if's with Jack. He could get here and within who knows how long he is going to his agent asking him to get him back to a US based team. Jack also has a No Move Clause starting next year.Then we will be trading him at a loss to one another team.


Jack could come here and maybe add a few more points in the standings, but he certainly has not shown that he can carry or be not be a dominant player like McDavid, MacKinnon, Crosby or Ovi and single handedly almost bring a team into playoff land.

The First Rounders taht we may be giving up to get Jack and if the current team plays like they did this past season, those 1st round picks may be top 3 picks. Reference San Jose Sharks and Ottawa Senators Erik Karlsson Trade. In that case you are giving a couple potential 'Eichels' and other prospects to get an injured Jack Eichel for maybe a few years.

Keep the current core and start to 'retool' the right way through development and good scouting.
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August 7th it is.
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I hope Brad made his offer and plans on sticking with it. The Flames will be the same team with (recovery time) or without Eichel come October. A trade for him only makes them better when he's back to 100%.
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