2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[442scotty]

Now that the expansion draft is done they can quit hiding him and turn him loose!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Does anyone think Boston would have any interest in Monahan or Backlund? Just because they are a little weak with their center depth. Not sure they have dman or winger pieces to make something work in a trade or not.

Yeah, I'd think they'd have interest in both. Backlund seems more of the Boston guy. Bergeron-Backlund as their 1-2? That's a tough defensive match-up for whoever they go up against.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, I'd think they'd have interest in both. Backlund seems more of the Boston guy. Bergeron-Backlund as their 1-2? That's a dough defensive match-up for whoever they go up against.

I would agree with you on the Backlund assessment. Was hoping we could find a way to upgrade our defence by moving him or Monahan but doesn’t seem like they have anything of significant interest that they would likely move. Debrusk is a tough one, just a guy that doesn’t really move the needle for me in a transaction with the Bruins.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The thing that bugs me about it is that every time I see him play all I can think about is how good he could be if he was ever given the chance to develop.

Maybe I'm just weird, but "this guy is going to be goooood" is a thought I have at least once a game when he dresses.

The skating is attractive and was always where he had some level of elite skill.
But it's not matched by the rest of his game.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The thing that bugs me about it is that every time I see him play all I can think about is how good he could be if he was ever given the chance to develop.

Maybe I'm just weird, but "this guy is going to be goooood" is a thought I have at least once a game when he dresses.

I think it is really easy to get mesmerized with Kylington since he is a very smooth and effortless skater. He is very pleasing to the eyes to watch in that respect.

[Buff]

I wish there was analytics that told us when, where and for who a certain player would be traded.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The skating is attractive and was always where he had some level of elite skill.
But it's not matched by the rest of his game.

The frustrating part for me is that inbetween viewings, I think that he has gotten better on the weak aspects of his game. The Flames make it pretty unclear where the reward line is in term of playing time, and I worry that would simply be disheartening.

There are other NHL players who were offensively minded who didn't bother with working on improving at all, and became essentially specialists. Kylington took the high road, and it's starting to look like that was the wrong call.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The skating is attractive and was always where he had some level of elite skill.
But it's not matched by the rest of his game.

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I think it is really easy to get mesmerized with Kylington since he is a very smooth and effortless skater. He is very pleasing to the eyes to watch in that respect.

Those are very fair points. Whenever I picture him, it's him skating with the puck - not him making defensive plays.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The frustrating part for me is that inbetween viewings, I think that he has gotten better on the weak aspects of his game. The Flames make it pretty unclear where the reward line is in term of playing time, and I worry that would simply be disheartening.

There are other NHL players who were offensively minded who didn't bother with working on improving at all, and became essentially specialists. Kylington took the high road, and it's starting to look like that was the wrong call.

OK but Kylington also hasn't shown much offensive production at the pro level.
He's an offensive minded dman without much offense and gaps on D.
Tough to play a guy like that.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

OK but Kylington also hasn't shown much offensive production at the pro level.
He's an offensive minded dman without much offense and gaps on D.
Tough to play a guy like that.

All fair points, but also tough to really gauge on such a ridiculously small sample size. He must really suck in practice.

[stemit14]

It feels like Kylington is given little to no leash. A great example was Nesterov last year… felt like he was consistently the worst defenceman on the ice night after night but Kylington was never given much of an opportunity to take Nesterov’s place.


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[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Buff

I wish there was analytics that told us when, where and for who a certain player would be traded.

[Redrum]

I would've liked to see a little AHL time if they were going to waive him, then bench him that much.

[Sandman]

No disrespect to Jiri or any of Kylington's other detractors here, but I watch him closely when he's on the ice (because I didn't like him when we drafted him), and I always like his game. His problem to me seems to be that he doesn't really bother trying anything offensively, cuz he's too afraid of screwing up, but he's usually good in his own zone, and seems to get the puck moving the other way pretty efficiently. Then it seems like he'll make an egregious error every handful of games that gets him benched again-the kind of error that other D make, and get a free pass. I dunno, maybe I need to watch more closely.....

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Sandman

No disrespect to Jiri or any of Kylington's other detractors here, but I watch him closely when he's on the ice (because I didn't like him when we drafted him), and I always like his game. His problem to me seems to be that he doesn't really bother trying anything offensively, cuz he's too afraid of screwing up, but he's usually good in his own zone, and seems to get the puck moving the other way pretty efficiently. Then it seems like he'll make an egregious error every handful of games that gets him benched again-the kind of error that other D make, and get a free pass. I dunno, maybe I need to watch more closely.....

Yup.

In order to generate offense in the NHL you need to be willing to take a risk, instead of always playing safe.

But for Kylington it's tough to take a risk when you know that any mistake ends up with you back in the press box.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I would counter that
- Every coach he has played under has not been willing to trust him with increased minutes or responsibility
- The reason he dropped in the draft was because there was uncertainty over whether he was more beyond just a great skating dman. Those concerns seem now to be well made.
- When offered to the entire league, with a reasonable salary, the entire league declined to take him.

So one must believe that there's something you are seeing that the hockey community at large isn't.

This isn't lack of opportunity. This is a player not being good enough.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Sandman

No disrespect to Jiri or any of Kylington's other detractors here, but I watch him closely when he's on the ice (because I didn't like him when we drafted him), and I always like his game. His problem to me seems to be that he doesn't really bother trying anything offensively, cuz he's too afraid of screwing up, but he's usually good in his own zone, and seems to get the puck moving the other way pretty efficiently. Then it seems like he'll make an egregious error every handful of games that gets him benched again-the kind of error that other D make, and get a free pass. I dunno, maybe I need to watch more closely.....

It's really too bad.

We take our team and chances at playoffs so seriously here that we leave development in the dust with certain players. Not like we're competing for anything as is. Let them #### up and learn in game. Only way to improvement. There's no way around mistakes if you want to advance your game, and id like to see that with guys like DD and OK.

This is also why it irks me when people write off Valimaki for being mistake prone this early in his career, particularly after not seeing ice for an extended period. The kid clearly cares about getting better. Give him the opportunity to do that.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would counter that
- Every coach he has played under has not been willing to trust him with increased minutes or responsibility
- The reason he dropped in the draft was because there was uncertainty over whether he was more beyond just a great skating dman. Those concerns seem now to be well made.
- When offered to the entire league, with a reasonable salary, the entire league declined to take him.

So one must believe that there's something you are seeing that the hockey community at large isn't.

This isn't lack of opportunity. This is a player not being good enough.

I agree, don’t believe Kylington is an everyday NHL dman

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It's really too bad.

We take our team and chances at playoffs so seriously here that we leave development in the dust with certain players. Not like we're competing for anything as is. Let them #### up and learn in game. Only way to improvement. There's no way around mistakes if you want to advance your game, and id like to see that with guys like DD and OK.

This is also why it irks me when people write off Valimaki for being mistake prone this early in his career, particularly after not seeing ice for an extended period. The kid clearly cares about getting better. Give him the opportunity to do that.

There are different types of mistakes. Risks need to be taken but they need to be calculated. Certain types of mistakes will get you benched and should.

I would suggest we need to stop making excuses for him and ask why he hasn't been able to grab the opportunity in the same way that others have.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I agree, don’t believe Kylington is an everyday NHL dman

That could be true. However, did anyone think nesterov looked better than Kylington last year? Even if it’s true that neither are NHL dmen, it seemed like Nesterov was kept in the line up even when he played poorly or made misplays that were costly. I would have rather seen Kylington given an opportunity to make those mistakes and learn from them instead of Nesterov.


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